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[217.227.98.114]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ca21-20020a170906a3d500b00993b381f808sm6240577ejb.38.2023.09.11.21.44.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:44:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83r0n4rj78.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:24:43 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::634; envelope-from=gerd.moellmann@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x634.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310500 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > IMNSHO, discussing a rewrite of Emacs in _any_ language is waste of > time and energy. We've seen this many times (because people still > insist on bringing this up from time to time). From where I stand, > the main reason is not even the fact that we decided not to do that, > but the fact that such a rewrite will never happen in practice. Such > a rewrite is a massive job which requires very good knowledge of Emacs > internals and features, and a lot of time. People who come close to > the required knowledge level are not interested in doing this job > (because they understand the futility), and those who think it should > be done simply don't know enough and/or don't have enough time on > their hands to pull it through. > > If Emacs will ever be "rewritten", it will not be Emacs, but a > text-processing system with a very different architecture and design, > which will take from the Emacs experience the lessons we learned and > implement them differently, to produce a system whose starting point > is closer to the needs of today's users and whose main technologies > are more modern from the get-go. I couldn't agree more. To me, a rewrite is quatsch, while adding CL facilities to Emacs makes a lot of sense.