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[2003:e0:b747:9100:49c6:927f:9e8b:b023]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-aac0e82f58asm898837566b.39.2024.12.25.21.22.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 25 Dec 2024 21:22:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87jzbn8zmu.fsf@protonmail.com> (Pip Cet's message of "Wed, 25 Dec 2024 17:03:08 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::530; envelope-from=gerd.moellmann@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-x530.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327130 Archived-At: Pip Cet writes: > Note that Gerd appeared to be disagreeing about some part of this, but > I'm not sure which part precisely. Then I gave a false impression, sorry. #hat you write is likely correct. And I'm only saying likely because there's always a chance that something is wrong. I'm coming to all this from a completely different angle. My understanding is (1) the signal handling/MPS thing, is the only thing preventing landing in master, and (2) the problems with reordering/consistency and so on basically already exists in master. Add (3) that I believe landing in master ASAP is desirable. If these premises are not valid, especially (1) I'd like to be corrected, BTW. My approach is "focus!" :-). Get a signal handling/MPS thing into igc that is good enough to be accepted, land in master, and only then proceed with anything else that has come up. Admittedly, neither the "focus", nor my "good enough solution" seems to work, so far. If people find that that the wrong approach, or not helpful, please tell! I'm not married to the idea. I can as well wait for things to settle by themselves, because everything works just fine already on the system in my office :-). I don't know. Maintainers please take over, I guess.