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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327222 Archived-At: Pip Cet writes: > "Eli Zaretskii" writes: > >>> From: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann >>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , pipcet@protonmail.com, ofv@wanadoo.= es, >>> emacs-devel@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com, acorallo@gnu.org >>> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:56:06 +0100 >>> >>> Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: >>> >>> > I've reached the point where I don't know what else to explain. Could >>> > always be improved, of course, and so on. Please find attached, with >>> > request for feedback. >>> >>> Ahem, just remembered that I had already an admin/igc.org in the branch, >>> so I've now replaced that with what I've written. >> >> Thanks. Some questions about that file: >> >> In contrast, the new igc collector, using MPS, is >> >> - Concurrent. The GC runs in its own thread. There are no explicit >> calls to start GC, and Emacs doesn't have to wait for the GC to >> complete. >> >> Pip says this is not true? > > I'm a bit confused. Right now, on scratch/igc, on GNU/Linux, for Emacs > in batch mode, it isn't technically true. Someone has a bug then, MPS or igc.c. It's definitely using its own thread on macOS.