From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Helmut Eller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:45:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87mw4rxkzv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874mqvf4dj.fsf@panthera.terpri.org> <87sieeru2k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87oap2rq9o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423572333 13850 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2015 12:45:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 10 13:45:27 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLABy-00071p-76 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:45:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39470 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLABw-0002HK-FX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:45:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56203) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLABs-0002HC-9K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:45:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLABr-00066H-4Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:45:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x231.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::231]:50971) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLABl-00061V-9d; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:45:13 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id l18so200803wgh.8; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:45:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=eSLHxt3xXAymBs4IVS/31Ml/+6TZaho2yd71zzbJe/c=; b=wETPqPOjkcIt1cAUqBsuBL4UpYe0XA/yAv6FSsqYOTTz3A4D5xT2o+bQWUBOaPJm+Y lNyzp+mXx3dtEbM3CRLirnhQDDVDiJRoPbfiJ4fTvdMP+UWqrm7og04b55AZu84dIAhw 2r8eZ7IF42An72gkqTWLW4rXTLzrWpxBUrQLD5KXma8ExSyTHIlEaOEmj4PPBAvz2ca4 tMoD8xKBzPh2Kknaa8FlKX0kjTk1NRL8gZYVCDFZ8kwslDn9bHN7MjSMrZBmU8rUixN0 lt2kyr0n90RtBWFOWloDHeJw4p0BJotVAIhsMPlyMnTVJUY5ndwp0hu39/ZXe7iJboAQ TVgQ== X-Received: by 10.194.186.200 with SMTP id fm8mr52718345wjc.138.1423572312652; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:45:12 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ix ([212.46.172.229]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r8sm18681477wib.16.2015.02.10.04.45.11 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:45:11 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from helmut by ix with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YLABi-0000xV-Mi; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:45:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87oap2rq9o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:53:55 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:182798 Archived-At: On Tue, Feb 10 2015, David Kastrup wrote: > It is not speculation but nonsense. LLVM is already released under GPL > compatible terms. They _are_ already giving us permission for all we > could ask of them. They are also giving NVIDIA permission to do whatever it likes to do with it. > You can make a GPL-only release of LLVM today if you > want to. This "they could say that they prefer to help NVIDIA than to > help the FSF" is a load of bollocks. A hypothetical GNU LLVM project that is distinct from the original project would have a hard time to attract people. > What else do you want? I, as an individual, don't care. But the FSF does care very much about the distinction between the licenses. If the FSF stops caring about the distinction then it can just declare defeat and stop promoting the GPL. > Tell them to dissolve their own community and > commit ritual suicide? Changing the license would hardly be suicide. Apple could still be the main contributor and they managed to survive even when they had to use GCC. It would piss off NVIDIA but it might attract some other individuals who don't like the idea that NVIDIA profits from their contributions. Either way, you don't make those decisions. Helmut