From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tor Kringeland Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Any use cases of `iso-transl-language-list'? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280755 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Please do not remove this feature. It is useful for typing German and > Esperanto text, at the very least. I concur. For Esperanto and German this is a complete feature, and you could write anything in those languages with these maps and it has seniority. However, for Spanish, Portuguese and French this feature is very incomplete, and I'd argue that it'd be better to either remove this feature for these languages or somehow extend it to offer full support (which would be difficult without having the same number of key-strokes as the regular `C-x 8' map). As it is now, it might be misleading in that it implies support for the character support of said languages, while in reality it's only one character for each language that saves one key-stroke. Also, for Spanish "=C2=A1" and "=C2=BF" can be input the s= ame way without activating this map. IMO seniority is not sufficient justification for keeping "support" for these languages around, at least in the current incomplete state. Could we at least mention input methods in the docstrings here, and perhaps the issues around greater support?