From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sascha Wilde Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gnus/starttls.el and net/tls.el Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:08:22 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87tznwq2r3.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> <87mytfsi8c.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> <87d4txdo07.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> <8763zlthdn.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1196338123 12211 80.91.229.12 (29 Nov 2007 12:08:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Simon Josefsson Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 29 13:08:51 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IxiCI-0004Q6-8Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:08:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxiC2-0005Yf-Jo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:08:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IxiBy-0005Vu-Ca for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:08:30 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IxiBw-0005U1-Qm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:08:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxiBw-0005Tu-Jk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:08:28 -0500 Original-Received: from ns.km1136.keymachine.de ([62.141.58.119] helo=km1136.keymachine.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IxiBt-00033T-5E; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:08:25 -0500 Original-Received: from kenny.sha-bang.de (xdslv098.osnanet.de [82.149.183.98]) (authenticated bits=0) by km1136.keymachine.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lATC8KkT013585; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:08:20 +0100 Original-Received: from wilde by kenny.sha-bang.de with local (Sha Bang MUA v.0711184.68) ID 1IxiBr-0007rU-15; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:08:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <8763zlthdn.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> (Simon Josefsson's message of "Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:34:28 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:84298 Archived-At: Simon Josefsson wrote: > Sascha Wilde writes: >> Simon Josefsson wrote: >>> The problem is the different set of external dependencies: >>> >>> tls.el: use gnutls-cli (GnuTLS) or s_client (OpenSSL) >>> starttls.el: use gnutls-cli (GnuTLS) or starttls [...] >> I'm not sure that I properly understood the problem (and I haven't read >> the whole thread), but OpenSSL supports StartTLS, like: >> >> openssl s_client -starttls smtp -connect mail.example.com >> >> does this do what you need to support s_client in starttls.el? > > Not entirely, OpenSSL only supports starttls for a few application > protocols: True. What a pity (well, not to much for replacing OpenSSL with GnuTLS is a good thing anyway, IMO).=20 > Right now, in Emacs, I think starttls support is used for IMAP, SMTP, > POP3 and ManageSieve. There is no support for Managesieve in OpenSSL... I see. I haven't thought of managesieve here. cheers sascha --=20 Sascha Wilde Nota bene: wenn Word f=FCr L=E4ngeres geeignet w=E4re, w=FCrde es schlie=DF= lich nicht Word, sondern Sentence, Page oder Article hei=DFen -- Matthias M=FChlich in dctt