From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jon Snader Subject: Re: [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. " References: <87wowoh1m9.fsf@aquinas.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44880) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fDGdn-0007lq-J5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:47:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fDGdm-0004E4-Mi for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:47:23 -0400 In-reply-to: <87wowoh1m9.fsf@aquinas.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Richard Lawrence Cc: bzg@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Richard Lawrence writes: > Jon Snader writes: > >> I use the > it >> enabled. I don't want to have to deal with a menu and its more >> complicated calling sequence > > I feel the same! Please don't disable complicated to use. You can make the case that it doesn't really matter because all that's needed is a minor adjustment to your init.el to restore the old behavior. But here's what's going to happen: A user who upgrades through ELPA is going to discover that suddenly the familiar template code is no longer working. He'll likely think it's an bug and wait for an upgrade or two for it to be fixed. When it doesn't get fixed, he'll ask the Internet what's wrong. Here's what's not going to happen: he's not going to read the ORG-NEWS file. In the first place, as Bastien says, most users don't but many users won't even know where to look. Org mode is famously Emacs' killer app and many non-technical users have been drawn to Emacs to get access to it. Many of them probably have no idea where the ELPA files are stored and even if they do they probably won't look in the etc subdirectory. Why torture our users when it's so simple to keep the old behavior enabled? If I hadn't seen Bastien's tweet pointing to this thread, I would most certainly be one of the people described above.