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From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@fastmail.fm>
To: "Daniel Martín" <mardani29@yahoo.es>
Cc: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>,
	nisoni@algon.dk, stefan@marxist.se, 51321@debbugs.gnu.org,
	larsi@gnus.org
Subject: bug#51321: 29.0.50; date in modelines
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2021 19:10:46 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m25ytar115.fsf@fastmail.fm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1lf27o710.fsf@yahoo.es> ("Daniel Martín"'s message of "Mon, 01 Nov 2021 23:17:15 +0100")

On 01/11/2021 23:17 +0100, Daniel Martín wrote:

> Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> writes:
>
>>
>> I know almost nothing about the locale, but from reading the man pages
>> I can't understand why we need to set LC_ALL when we're already
>> setting LANG. Isn't LANG the fallback if LC_ALL isn't set?
>
> You are right.  Setting LANG should be all that is needed and I think my
> patch should be reverted.
>
> I'm still confused by Niels's issue, though.  Given the screenshot he
> showed, LANG should have been set to da_DK.UTF-8, which should show the
> weekday in Danish:
>
> $ LANG=da_DK.UTF-8 date +%c
> Man  1 Nov 22:41:33 2021
>
> Perhaps the way he launches Emacs inherits a LANG variable already set
> to English.  Or there is a wrapper in some custom Emacs NS distribution
> that sets LANG to English beforehand.  Anyway, I think it's a
> configuration problem somewhere, unrelated to Emacs, that should be
> handled by the user overriding the time locale manually:
>
> (setq system-time-locale "da_DK.UTF-8")
>
> WDYT?  Sorry, in retrospective, I think I didn't do the absolutely
> correct thing here.

I found that coreutils date and macOS date differ in behavior:

coreutils:

LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 LC_ALL= /opt/local/libexec/gnubin/date +%c
Tue Nov  2 18:55:19 2021

macOS:

LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 LC_ALL= /bin/date +%c
вторник,  2 ноября 2021 г. 18:54:52

Then, I looked at other LC_ variables, from them only LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 is
set (I don't know by whom, it's certainly not in my shell init files)

And if I invoke coreutils date like this:
LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 LC_ALL= LC_CTYPE= /opt/local/libexec/gnubin/date +%c
вторник,  2 ноября 2021 г. 19:07:29

The output is localized.

So maybe Daniel also has that LC_CTYPE variable set somewhere in macOS,
and is using coreutils date, and that prevents him from getting
localized date as expected.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-11-02 16:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-21 15:24 bug#51321: 29.0.50; date in modelines Niels Søndergaard
2021-10-21 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-21 18:09   ` Niels Søndergaard
2021-10-21 18:13     ` Niels Søndergaard
2021-10-21 18:18     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-22  1:37       ` Niels Søndergaard
2021-10-22  6:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-22 13:27           ` Niels Søndergaard
2021-10-22 14:11             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-23 12:16               ` Daniel Martín via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-10-23 12:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-23 12:52                   ` Daniel Martín via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-10-23 16:00                     ` Daniel Martín via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-10-30 15:41                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-30 18:09                         ` Alan Third
2021-10-31  9:06                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-31 10:14                             ` Alan Third
2021-10-31 13:01                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-01 13:04                               ` Filipp Gunbin
2021-11-01 13:33                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-01 14:21                                   ` Filipp Gunbin
2021-11-01 14:34                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-01 14:45                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2021-11-01 21:17                                       ` Alan Third
2021-11-01 22:17                                         ` Daniel Martín via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-11-02  3:40                                           ` Niels Søndergaard
2021-11-02 16:10                                           ` Filipp Gunbin [this message]
2021-11-02 18:22                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-09  7:52                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-09 14:13                                               ` Filipp Gunbin
2022-09-10  5:09                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-02  1:10                                         ` Filipp Gunbin
2021-10-23 12:34                 ` Niels Søndergaard
2021-10-23 12:55                   ` Daniel Martín via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-10-23 12:58                     ` Niels Søndergaard
2021-10-22 14:40         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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