From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim McNamara Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:00:35 -0600 Organization: ipHouse - Welcome Home! Message-ID: References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> <85fyo4zvei.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sls47lvd.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <85wthftsme.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136610237 30326 80.91.229.2 (7 Jan 2006 05:03:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 07 06:03:55 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ev6F3-0002yg-Rp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 06:03:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ev6Gr-0004OP-Uj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 00:05:41 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!green.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!news-1.mpls.iphouse.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:e/amyh0Xv4SsN/zxfp6mupp9L50= Original-Lines: 24 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 06 Jan 2006 23:00:35 CST Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 06646809.newsreader.iphouse.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=VgL2`oe99dm]_3IfkVB[VnUU[C:R=]MbjeHS>e[L>83`DH1IWSh8S[cm:@8]TdIggef@e7N90MVdmW\KR_J0G`Xl Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@iphouse.net Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:136902 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32521 Archived-At: Sean Sieger writes: > Tim McNamara writes: > > On this I am afraid we have irreconcilable differences. You (and > David) are over-focused on free software in the abstract sense of > freedom. Fine as a principle but it does not increase the > freedom of computer users on a daily basis. IMHO where freedom > counts is not in the abstract but at the keyboards and mouses and > displays of users. > > If the goal is to promote freedom for computer users and to > change the world for the better, then attention must be paid to > the useability of free software and removing the obstacles to > adoption by the mainstream. If the goal is to carve out some > morally superior stance, then by all means carry on as you are. > As far as I can tell, that's all the current approach is going to > get you. > > What is not reconcilable is your opinion on a GNU mail list and you > are free to express that. Uncanny. Usenet newsgroup, in my case. I subscribe to no GNU mailing lists. And there is of course nothing irreconcilable about it.