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From: Nikolaj Schumacher <me@nschum.de>
To: pjb@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon)
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Working with constansts
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:06:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m24ovqfxen.fsf@nschum.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zldkxicx.fsf@galatea.local> (Pascal J. Bourguignon's message of "Mon, 11 May 2009 08:29:34 +0200")

pjb@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) wrote:

> Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>> Of course I understand if the answer is "history and that's the way it
>> is" but I would sympathise with a new programmer to Lisp that is
>> surprised he can modify a "const" especially if he came from a C/C++
>> background where we all fully understand WHY consts are useful for the
>> programmer but the compiler also enforced it.
>
> The important point is that a lisp system is being programmed at the
> same time it is executed.  Therefore redefining a constant may be
> taken into account, because it may be what the _programmer_ really
> means.
>
> In C, you would have to recompile the program before a change to a
> constant is taken into account, but it would be very possible to
> modify a constant: nothing prevents you to edit the C sources,
> recompile and relaunch.

Certainly const in C doesn't mean the value is determined at compile
time.  It just means: "This variable shouldn't be modified after its
initialization."

And in fact, you can cast constness away in C++, so it really has
nothing to do with execution versus compile time.  It's just a helper
for the developer to prevent side-effects.

There really is no pressing requirement for the current behavior, the
run-time just doesn't verify it.  It does one thing, though:

(setq xxx 'user)
(defvar xxx 'library)
xxx => 'user

(setq xxx 'user)
(defconst xxx 'library)
xxx => 'library

A tiny step towards enforcing the value.


regards,
Nikolaj Schumacher




  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-12 10:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-10 15:25 Working with constansts Decebal
2009-05-10 16:19 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-05-10 16:20   ` Richard Riley
2009-05-10 16:33     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-05-12 10:34       ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2009-05-10 17:02     ` Drew Adams
2009-05-10 17:28       ` Richard Riley
2009-05-11  7:39         ` Tassilo Horn
     [not found]       ` <mailman.6953.1241976532.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-05-10 18:17         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-05-11  1:36           ` Richard Riley
2009-05-11  6:29             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-05-12 10:06               ` Nikolaj Schumacher [this message]
     [not found]               ` <mailman.7056.1242122790.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-05-12 11:54                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-05-18 10:55                   ` Nikolaj Schumacher
     [not found]                 ` <7ceiuuczad.fsf@pbourguignon.informatimago.com>
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.7379.1242644154.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-05-18 12:20                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-05-18 19:19                       ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2009-05-10 18:59         ` Barry Margolin
2009-05-11  1:38           ` Richard Riley
2009-05-12  9:44             ` Nikolaj Schumacher
     [not found]             ` <mailman.7052.1242121473.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-05-12 11:43               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-05-13  4:59               ` Barry Margolin
2009-05-13 13:41                 ` Ralf Wachinger
2009-05-13 21:23                   ` Barry Margolin
2009-05-11  9:58     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]     ` <mailman.6988.1242036217.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-05-12  1:31       ` Barry Margolin
2009-05-11  8:27   ` Decebal
2009-05-12  9:46     ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2009-05-10 16:31 ` Drew Adams

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