From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Customize is only for newbies? [was: use-package.el -> Emacs core] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:42:30 -0800 Message-ID: References: <564136F7.2020404@yandex.ru> <877flqe1a4.fsf@gmail.com> <87twoucaxz.fsf@gmail.com> <665d1f66-6497-48ab-9752-b121aa307724@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447170258 10585 80.91.229.3 (10 Nov 2015 15:44:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , Dmitry Gutov , Oleh Krehel , Emacs developers To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 10 16:44:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwB5k-0005GU-9N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:44:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33164 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwB5k-0005lC-0w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:44:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59214) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwB4Y-0004P1-C5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:43:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwB4T-0005ej-Bm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:43:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::231]:33457) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwB4T-0005ef-5u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:42:57 -0500 Original-Received: by pabfh17 with SMTP id fh17so422142pab.0 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:42:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=2XoLxglj9ceqPG+efaeYM7B0UQcIwTlGXDbtsUcDzJQ=; b=NIpYj7P+fwOiot8tUF9ALTbXGRV/GPzdswPtjRixMK3lfbItkgqfbDXXt5FO7MdVBt 0gQASkEziD/kKshGy9tx75SfdvCTTACFIcVjWd1niQq/N5jZRcvxnAksMhBonwsjCCDI XMEfrN96ZybzvUyS17kS8aOy4pDoc1XZpaQfT2OpScrD5zPqFE8+E5OcWbMNTjGbGlQK 6CpR7XfjffpNiHTCE2Ib7dTLX7Wc3Xf6Uc09C69GegeHr3t/HXL/gLRPMPJA5ldAl7ls LTXHDJuqeb61xVD6G41IkI6HMyMSU/AXtM5Aq8GLp5NKh3ur3EeBGzoXEENP5Ll9A5Gy 9YbQ== X-Received: by 10.66.140.79 with SMTP id re15mr6558797pab.127.1447170176644; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:42:56 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Vulcan.attlocal.net (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id kw10sm4787772pbc.25.2015.11.10.07.42.55 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:42:56 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.attlocal.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id C59E71050F488; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:42:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <665d1f66-6497-48ab-9752-b121aa307724@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:58:42 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Drew Adams , Oleh Krehel , Juanma Barranquero , Emacs developers , Dmitry Gutov X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193866 Archived-At: >>>>> Drew Adams writes: > It is a too common misconception (perhaps especially among near-newbies) > that Customize is only for newbies. It's too bad to see folks here propagate > the same misconception. That is the wrong message, not only for newbies but > for those who are no longer newbies. Just to chime in: I use customize, love customize in fact, and try to configure as much as I can using the customize interface. It's clear, declarative, and gives me a visual way to browse through my settings for various packages. It stops me from making stupid errors. I love it. John