gnus - setting Mail-Followup-To header

gnus - setting Mail-Followup-To header

[Gary]

As you might see, I read and post to this list, among others, via the
gmane mail2news/news2mail gateway. That is, when I post, I am doing so
in a manner that gnus thinks I am posting to a newsgroup, not a mailing
list, and so doesn't set Mail-Followup-To. Is it possible, either by
config or code, to make it do so?

-- 
Gary
GNU Emacs 23.2.1
emacsclient 23.2
1.7.4(0.225/5/3) 2010-04-07 11:02 Cygwin

Re: gnus - setting Mail-Followup-To header

[Andrea Crotti]

Gary <help-gnu-emacs@garydjones.name> writes:

> As you might see, I read and post to this list, among others, via the
> gmane mail2news/news2mail gateway. That is, when I post, I am doing so
> in a manner that gnus thinks I am posting to a newsgroup, not a mailing
> list, and so doesn't set Mail-Followup-To. Is it possible, either by
> config or code, to make it do so?

Ah good question I also have the same problem.
When you open a follow-up doing \C-c\C-t will set up correctly the
address of the sender also in To: (as many other people do) but the
follow-up doesn't work automatically as I just notices...

Re: gnus - setting Mail-Followup-To header

[Gary]

Andrea Crotti wrote:
> Gary writes:
>
>> As you might see, I read and post to this list, among others, via the
>> gmane mail2news/news2mail gateway. That is, when I post, I am doing so
>> in a manner that gnus thinks I am posting to a newsgroup, not a mailing
>> list, and so doesn't set Mail-Followup-To. Is it possible, either by
>> config or code, to make it do so?
>
> Ah good question I also have the same problem.

Oh good :) I don't mean that in a bad way, just that it's nice to know I
am not as odd as I thought :)

-- 
Gary
GNU Emacs 23.2.1
emacsclient 23.2
1.7.4(0.225/5/3) 2010-04-07 11:02 Cygwin

Re: gnus - setting Mail-Followup-To header

[Jim Crossley]

Hi...

Gary <help-gnu-emacs@garydjones.name> writes:

> As you might see, I read and post to this list, among others, via the
> gmane mail2news/news2mail gateway. That is, when I post, I am doing so
> in a manner that gnus thinks I am posting to a newsgroup, not a mailing
> list, and so doesn't set Mail-Followup-To. Is it possible, either by
> config or code, to make it do so?

Can you use gnus-posting-styles maybe?

  (setq gnus-posting-styles
      '(("^gmane"
         ("Mail-Followup-To" "someone@somewhere.org"))))

Jim

Re: gnus - setting Mail-Followup-To header

[Gary]

Jim Crossley wrote:
> Gary writes:
>
>> As you might see, I read and post to this list, among others, via the
>> gmane mail2news/news2mail gateway. That is, when I post, I am doing so
>> in a manner that gnus thinks I am posting to a newsgroup, not a mailing
>> list, and so doesn't set Mail-Followup-To. Is it possible, either by
>> config or code, to make it do so?
>
> Can you use gnus-posting-styles maybe?
>
>   (setq gnus-posting-styles
>       '(("^gmane"
>          ("Mail-Followup-To" "someone@somewhere.org"))))

I don't know :) Can I? I see what you mean:
,----[ http://nntp.gnus.org/gnus/manual/gnus_153.html ]
| The attribute name can also be a string or a symbol. In that case,
| this will be used as a header name, and the value will be inserted in
| the headers of the article
`----

One problem I see is the following:
,----[ http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt ]
| 2.5   Usenet News Client Action
| 
| If a message has a "Mail-Followup-To" header, and no "Followup-To"
| header, this is an indication that further discussion should take place
| only in e-mail
`----

So it would inconvenience anyone else using a mail2news gateway that
wants to followup (they'd be prompted to reply by email to the mailing
list...).

I'm adding a suitable Followup-To header as well, and will see if that
works, at least with gnus :P

-- 
Gary
GNU Emacs 23.2.1
emacsclient 23.2
1.7.4(0.225/5/3) 2010-04-07 11:02 Cygwin

Re: gnus - setting Mail-Followup-To header

[Gary]

Gary wrote:

> I'm adding a suitable Followup-To header as well, and will see if that
> works, at least with gnus :P

Hrrrmph. Except either gnus didn't add either of them, or something
somewhere stripped them X( Will try it manually to see which.

-- 
Gary
GNU Emacs 23.2.1
emacsclient 23.2
1.7.4(0.225/5/3) 2010-04-07 11:02 Cygwin

Re: gnus - setting Mail-Followup-To header

[Gary]

Gary wrote:
> Jim Crossley wrote:
>> Gary writes:
>>
>>> As you might see, I read and post to this list, among others, via the
>>> gmane mail2news/news2mail gateway. That is, when I post, I am doing so
>>> in a manner that gnus thinks I am posting to a newsgroup, not a mailing
>>> list, and so doesn't set Mail-Followup-To. Is it possible, either by
>>> config or code, to make it do so?
>>
>> Can you use gnus-posting-styles maybe?
>>
>>   (setq gnus-posting-styles
>>       '(("^gmane"
>>          ("Mail-Followup-To" "someone@somewhere.org"))))
>
> I don't know :) Can I? I see what you mean:
> ,----[ http://nntp.gnus.org/gnus/manual/gnus_153.html ]
> | The attribute name can also be a string or a symbol. In that case,
> | this will be used as a header name, and the value will be inserted in
> | the headers of the article
> `----

Apparently I can't. Despite
,----[ config-nntp.el ]
| ...
| (push '("gmane.emacs.help"
| ...
|          ("Followup-To" "gmane.emacs.help")
|          ("Mail-Followup-To" "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org")
| ...
`----
(for example) the articles still end up without those headers. If I add
them manually, the Mail-Followup-To survives, while Followup-To is
transformed soemwhere to Original-Followup-To :(

-- 
Gary
GNU Emacs 23.2.1
emacsclient 23.2
1.7.4(0.225/5/3) 2010-04-07 11:02 Cygwin

Re: gnus - setting Mail-Followup-To header

[Uday S Reddy]

On 8/4/2010 2:12 PM, Gary wrote:
> As you might see, I read and post to this list, among others, via the
> gmane mail2news/news2mail gateway. That is, when I post, I am doing so
> in a manner that gnus thinks I am posting to a newsgroup, not a mailing
> list, and so doesn't set Mail-Followup-To. Is it possible, either by
> config or code, to make it do so?

I am not sure what the purpose is.  Is this so that, when you post to the 
newsgroup and somebody replies, you don't want to get a personal copy of the 
response?  How can gmane know that you don't want a personal copy?

Cheers,
Uday Reddy

Re: gnus - setting Mail-Followup-To header

[Gary]

Uday S Reddy wrote:
> On 8/4/2010 2:12 PM, Gary wrote:
>> As you might see, I read and post to this list, among others, via the
>> gmane mail2news/news2mail gateway. That is, when I post, I am doing so
>> in a manner that gnus thinks I am posting to a newsgroup, not a mailing
>> list, and so doesn't set Mail-Followup-To. Is it possible, either by
>> config or code, to make it do so?
>
> I am not sure what the purpose is.  Is this so that, when you post to
> the newsgroup and somebody replies, you don't want to get a personal
> copy of the response?  How can gmane know that you don't want a personal
> copy?

Not sure what you mean. Gmane doesn't send email. Mail-Followup-To
doesn't stop users of gmane's nntp interface also replying by email of
course, but people using newsreaders don't tend to do so, because a
reply/followup will always go back to the newsgroup/list unless
otherwise specified. Contrast this with most MUA users use of "Reply to
all" in order to get their responses to the list and not (only) the
original sender and you will understand why I think newsreaders are
simply better for this kind of thing (reading and replying to mass
distributed messages).

-- 
Gary
GNU Emacs 23.2.1
emacsclient 23.2
1.7.4(0.225/5/3) 2010-04-07 11:02 Cygwin

Re: gnus - setting Mail-Followup-To header

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 09:19:21 +0200 Gary <help-gnu-emacs@garydjones.name> wrote: 

G> Uday S Reddy wrote:
>> On 8/4/2010 2:12 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> As you might see, I read and post to this list, among others, via the
>>> gmane mail2news/news2mail gateway. That is, when I post, I am doing so
>>> in a manner that gnus thinks I am posting to a newsgroup, not a mailing
>>> list, and so doesn't set Mail-Followup-To. Is it possible, either by
>>> config or code, to make it do so?
>> 
>> I am not sure what the purpose is.  Is this so that, when you post to
>> the newsgroup and somebody replies, you don't want to get a personal
>> copy of the response?  How can gmane know that you don't want a personal
>> copy?

G> Not sure what you mean. Gmane doesn't send email. 

It does.

G> Mail-Followup-To doesn't stop users of gmane's nntp interface also
G> replying by email of course, but people using newsreaders don't tend
G> to do so, because a reply/followup will always go back to the
G> newsgroup/list unless otherwise specified. Contrast this with most
G> MUA users use of "Reply to all" in order to get their responses to
G> the list and not (only) the original sender and you will understand
G> why I think newsreaders are simply better for this kind of thing
G> (reading and replying to mass distributed messages).

I think what you're looking for is the gmane.discuss newsgroup.  Ask
there; some of the readers are Gnus users and GMane admins so they will
probably be able to explain what you have to do and even make changes to
GMane, if necessary, to make it happen on their side.

Ted

Re: gnus - setting Mail-Followup-To header

[Uday Reddy]

On 8/6/2010 8:19 AM, Gary wrote:

> Not sure what you mean. Gmane doesn't send email. Mail-Followup-To
> doesn't stop users of gmane's nntp interface also replying by email of
> course, but people using newsreaders don't tend to do so, because a
> reply/followup will always go back to the newsgroup/list unless
> otherwise specified. Contrast this with most MUA users use of "Reply to
> all" in order to get their responses to the list and not (only) the
> original sender and you will understand why I think newsreaders are
> simply better for this kind of thing (reading and replying to mass
> distributed messages).

I don't disagree that newsgroups are better for this kind of discussion.

But, when the newsgroup is being used as a front-end to a mailing list, I 
prefer to receive a personal copy of any responses so that I know what is being 
discussed.  Now, gmane doesn't know that I want a personal copy and you don't. 
  So, it can't make a uniform decision about putting a Mail-Followup-To header.

Cheers,
Uday