From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rainer M Krug Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:00:07 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87pprkbodk.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <5d0ea74d-527c-4c19-a9d6-596bec4a4c6b@googlegroups.com> <878uy2b59p.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <9c485a2d-1e2a-4c38-b04a-db69db9b5bc2@googlegroups.com> <87r4btl8e5.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381402855 10936 80.91.229.3 (10 Oct 2013 11:00:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:00:55 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 10 13:00:59 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VUDzG-0006Ya-94 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:00:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46306 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUDzF-0004Ot-W5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:00:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38144) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUDyl-0004Ff-1e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:00:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUDyf-0004UA-4c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:00:26 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:58837) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUDye-0004U6-Ul for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:00:21 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VUDyc-00066a-EE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:00:18 +0200 Original-Received: from arn78-1-88-186-171-7.fbx.proxad.net ([88.186.171.7]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:00:18 +0200 Original-Received: from Rainer by arn78-1-88-186-171-7.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:00:18 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 41 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: arn78-1-88-186-171-7.fbx.proxad.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:a67rxH/UKzmMiBThoJ3fpfHkjis= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93912 Archived-At: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: > Rustom Mody writes: >>> That's hard to measure. One way for estimating popularity is Debian's >>> automatic popularity contest. >>> >>> http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=emacsen-common%2Cvim-common&show_vote=on&want_legend=on&from_date=&to_date=&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1 >> >> Thanks for that picture. >> It confirms my personal hunchy feel that 20 years ago emacs-vi were kind of >> neck to neck; whereas today emacs is increasingly in the category: "Whazzat??" >> for young programmers. > > > Not sure that this is a good conclusion. I have vi installed on every > linux box I use, but Emacs on only some. But I use Emacs far more than I > use vi. > > The other point to remember is that there are more programmers now than > 20 years ago. I would be shocked if Emacs popularity as a percentage had > not dropped. Not only more programmers, but also more IDE, source code editors (in the widest sense) - i.e. alternatives to emacs. I love emacs and will stick with it (even if I am the last one using it), but I see the difficulty to sell it to new programmers. By the way: I see the same problem with vi. Rainer > > Phil > > <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign> -- Rainer M. Krug email: RMKruggmailcom