From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Helmut Eller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Package initialization Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 00:56:21 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1437260204 16373 80.91.229.3 (18 Jul 2015 22:56:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 22:56:44 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 19 00:56:35 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGb23-0005Lm-1w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 00:56:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50047 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGb22-0000GM-DV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:56:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42091) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGb1z-0000GA-6b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:56:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGb1w-0005i6-0h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:56:31 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54891) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGb1v-0005hy-Q3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:56:27 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGb1t-0005Il-JR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 00:56:25 +0200 Original-Received: from 212.46.170.156 ([212.46.170.156]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 00:56:25 +0200 Original-Received: from eller.helmut by 212.46.170.156 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 00:56:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.46.170.156 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:rUkLkbUCegBr/pcggJq9PBlmb9Y= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187964 Archived-At: On Sat, Jul 18 2015, Artur Malabarba wrote: >> Frankly, I think this is very ugly because I can no longer >> load the foo-auotload.el file > > Why would you load the file manually? It gets loaded for you. > > Or are you complaining about the fact that it gets loaded > automatically? (you can disable that) I'm happy to set things up manually in my .emacs; but other users prefer that the package stuff does everything automatically. But if everything is in the autoload file there's no way to get the autoload definitions without changing global variables. Anyway, it looks like the package stuff has no mechanism to separate the issues. Helmut