From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Another others for maintainer? 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ir4sm14957187pbb.93.2015.10.22.11.27.50 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6216DF6EA080; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:27:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <837fmeudev.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:32:40 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , jay.p.belanger@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192417 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > Thanks, but you make this sound like if tomorrow I'm overrun by a bus, Emacs > will die, or at least stagnate. Which of course is not true. There are quite > a few people here without whom Emacs development would not have been what it > is, let alone what it (hopefully) will be. A good point. I was referring more to your combination of consistency and energy, with long experience in the project. That's more valuable than maybe you give yourself credit for. > If you don't have enough time to actively engage in technical issues, like > discussing development and design/implementation decisions, reviewing > patches, fixing bugs, etc. -- then the above scenario is not viable. There's > no chance in the world I alone will be able to deal with that workload: I > have neither the time nor knowledge (nor talent, to be honest) to do that. > So we will need at least some of the team you describe here: It's true, I don't have the time it would take to do what you do now, Eli. We'll need to make building up our "development team" a first and crucial task, as you say. > P.S. I think many people don't realize how many simple, mundane tasks are > part of what we call "Emacs maintenance". Stuff like fixing spelling errors, > committing auto-generated files, fixing unsafe or sub-optimal code revealed > by compiler warnings, closing bugs that were resolved but left open, merging > bug reports for the same bug, fixing typos in generated log messages, > managing our mailing lists and the Web site -- all this is part of the job. > That we currently have a few kind people like Glenn, Paul, Juanma, and > others silently doing this behind the scenes (look at "git log" to see what > I mean) is sheer luck. People who want to help could start with these small > but important tasks. With time and experience, they will gain confidence in > their talents and abilities, and -- no less important -- upgrade their > status within the community, and that will help them decide which larger > tasks they could take upon themselves. This paragraph is perfect. I'll draft up a call for volunteers as soon as I can find some time this weekend, starting from what you've written here. John