From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Filipp Gunbin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Casting as wide a net as possible Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 17:41:11 +0300 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1450104257 31101 80.91.229.3 (14 Dec 2015 14:44:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: John Yates Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 14 15:44:04 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a8UJl-0008Aw-0Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:41:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60387 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a8UJj-0008F6-Ki for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:41:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40351) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a8UJU-0008Em-60 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:41:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a8UJQ-0007vz-5R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:41:20 -0500 Original-Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:47542) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a8UJP-0007vX-Vz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:41:16 -0500 Original-Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2C721DDF for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:41:14 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:41:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=lRczl7t3cigWl6N/5gBN8dQI78E=; b=oSLvev EImhUISkfKO4FMjdLgqnv4kcJSQD2qYx5UYXNxI8mwByJdPP/I+NdsqMVT9h7kAO +DyCmogSDcUWHVambIOrCfYgpm3hlJZvf7r9ElsM/vGEyRgQ/0TwnAwVuqkriA3h sidnX5MbKW+eoSDVgv5wdG7WaOmxdDfyzMjKo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=lRczl7t3cigWl6N /5gBN8dQI78E=; b=Qi3xGtriO8ay7JnvzLp7MnH7uYQDWNSFewj4F7a6UF29WzN +yBLQ8JWiCRUTNRyyESJFEr2LmAkn9CDeC2+f19pdqYyGxEkKD1IB6d1a4ypMpLr +cpYLD04ss5Lj43ia437dXqk64Wc+z2RlOelsvEaHk5K4B+jPpYd6N98Nmw4= X-Sasl-enc: bgZoV9ZGziPKAyYjhTHHAes0sGrJLk/Zk4sT2Kx24WBo 1450104073 Original-Received: from fgunbin.local (unknown [94.25.218.10]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6D2C9C016DB; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:41:13 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (John Yates's message of "Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:46:42 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.25 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196241 Archived-At: On 10/12/2015 11:46 -0500, John Yates wrote: > I would hope that our site would be not just a self-indulgent > love fest, a litany of all the things we - the advanced, deeply > committed users - love about Emacs.=C2=A0 Instead I imagine our site > as the place where a newbie becomes seduced by Emacs' clearly > wonderful and unique functionality, available "out of the box". When I started using Emacs, it attracted me with the ease of working with codings. I've tried some editors at that time, of course (including well-known IDEs, for years), but never before it was so easy to just open a file in a given coding, or re-open it in another. We, non-English-natives, still have problems with different encodings (yes, KOI8-R, CP-1251 and CP-866 for Russian are still here) and Emacs helped me to learn more clearly what the encoding is. Another thing that impressed was set of advanced general text-editing capabilities (someone mentioned transpose-* functions here) and their infrastructure, including syntax tables. These and other things made me sure that, although the my work language (Java) support is lacking many things IDEs have, Emacs will be my editor of choice. Maybe it makes sense to underline this versatility and good accessible infrastructure in addition to features most users expect to see in an "ad" for a text editor. Filipp