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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fl9sm145008414pab.33.2016.01.06.17.58.19 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Jan 2016 17:58:19 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9012912203721; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:58:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Andrew Hyatt's message of "Thu, 07 Jan 2016 01:42:58 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Hyatt , Eli Zaretskii , rgm@gnu.org, hanche@math.ntnu.no, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197717 Archived-At: >>>>> Andrew Hyatt writes: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:46 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Andrew Hyatt >> >> Has anyone considered putting these obsolete packages in the gnu ELPA? I'm >> not sure about the bug policy, but I'd guess that bugs shouldn't be filed >> against ELPA packages. > AFAIK bugs are files against ELPA packages like they are against the > core Emacs. So moving to ELPA will not change this aspect of obsolete > packages. > (It also feels wrong to move them to ELPA just because they are > obsolete. ELPA is supposed to be home for new and advanced stuff, not > for obsolete stuff. If someone steps forward wanting to maintain an > obsolete package, then a move to ELPA might make good sense, though.) > That's a fair point. Maybe there could be some special ELPA repository for > obsolete packages. But what I'm mostly trying to figure out is if there is > *any* way to get code to be completely unmaintained. We are, after all, > trying to reduce the number of bugs (see the thread on 4k bugs) overall, and > this is one way to do that. So the only way people would agree on right now, > is if we remove the code entirely from emacs distribution. But I suspect > that such a change would be rejected, even from obsolete packages, because > someone might still be depending on them. What if we just use an "obsolete" tag, so the bugs could be filtered out from our running total, but they still remain open? -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2