From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Matt Armstrong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 0161c9d 1/2: Load all generic-x.el modes unconditionally Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:22:02 -0800 Message-ID: References: <20210209160550.18823.10795@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20210209160551.832FB20AD1@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87o8gti2ln.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg65jffx.fsf@gnu.org> <83im71j96z.fsf@gnu.org> <83czx8k3gn.fsf@gnu.org> <83sg64hqzj.fsf@gnu.org> <83eehnj0r3.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27157"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (darwin) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 10 20:26:33 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9v8D-0006yw-N2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:26:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52244 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9v8C-0002XO-PM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:26:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51140) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9v42-0007hF-NP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:22:14 -0500 Original-Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:37695) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9v3z-0002jw-MD; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:22:14 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 24.113.169.116 Original-Received: from matts-mbp-2016.lan (24-113-169-116.wavecable.com [24.113.169.116]) (Authenticated sender: matt@rfc20.org) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A81CFF807; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:22:05 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83eehnj0r3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:22:56 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.199; envelope-from=matt@rfc20.org; helo=relay9-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264334 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Monnier >> Cc: stefan@marxist.se, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:50:30 -0500 >> >> >> I don't know what they need to be told. >> >> Can you clarify what broke or risks breaking because of the change? >> > I thought it was clear: suddenly those users will have a gazillion >> > modes defined they never intended to use or load or even know about. >> >> I don't see the harm in that. When you start Emacs you have a gazillion >> modes predefined most of which you never intended to use. > > No, I don't. Not a gazillion. I actually counted them. In an emacs -Q, auto-mode-alist has 100 distinct modes, and generic-mode-x.el provides 35 modes (but not all are "activated" on all platforms).