From: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
eller.helmut@gmail.com
Subject: Re: MPS: dangling markers
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 06:14:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m234oxsny6.fsf@pro2.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv1q4i3x9a.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 27 Jun 2024 17:24:26 -0400")
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>> - perf points to (1) itree lookup; (2) bytepos<->charpos, which implies
>> that things may be related to the number of allocated markers and
>> overlays.
>> - I observe things slowing down as the number of "PVEC_MARKER" in the
>> output of `igc-info' grows.
>> - Forcing (igc--collect) returns speed to normal
> [...]
>> AFAIK, at least overlays, buffers, and markers are used in C code within
>> object lists/trees are often traversed in full. If objects in these
>> lists are not regularly garbage-collected, we may end up in situation
>> when dead objects significantly impact performance.
>
> AFAIK, markers are the only one that can be reachable (i.e. we may
> spend time looking at them) yet GC-able, because the buffers' `markers`
> slot contains a linked-list of all markers that's treated specially by
> the GC (basically, the list is "weak" so markers get removed from this
> list during GC if the marker is reachable only from the list).
Exactly.
> [ Of course, similar things can occur with other objects via our weak
> hash table. And there are a few other "background cleanups" we do in
> GC (such as resizing gaps or truncating undo logs) which could be
> impacted as well. ]
(FWIW, in igc, I'm trying to do these things incrementally when idle,
Weaj hash tables are currently not implemented. I can't bring me to do
that.)
> So I'm not surprised by your point (2) above, but I don't have an
> explanation for your point (1), OTOH.
Would be interesting to so some profiler output showing in which context
these itree operations happen.
> BTW, a lof of C and ELisp code is careful to delete markers after their
> use, so I suspect that a large proportion of the "dead" markers that can
> accumulate in the list of markers are those created by the chars<->bytes
> conversion code (as a memoization cache), and we should be able to
> decouple their collection from the GC by simply adding a bit that says
> this is just a cached result of a previous chars<->bytes conversion,
> rather than a true marker object, and then we could have a "background
> task" that flushes them as needed.
That might be a way, yes. In igc I could try to do that in on_idle,
incrementally, or even in another thread (not the Emacs ones).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-28 4:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-27 21:01 MPS: dangling markers Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-27 21:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-28 4:14 ` Gerd Möllmann [this message]
2024-06-28 16:37 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 16:47 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-28 16:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 16:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-28 17:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 17:44 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 3:57 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 14:34 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 14:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 16:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 17:09 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 17:17 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 18:02 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 18:19 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 19:51 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 21:50 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 22:33 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 4:41 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 6:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 9:51 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 11:02 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:54 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 13:15 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 19:02 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 19:22 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 20:15 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 4:22 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 17:14 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 18:20 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 19:04 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 19:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 19:43 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 18:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 21:08 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 11:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-03 18:46 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 22:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-30 5:02 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 5:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 15:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-30 5:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 4:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 5:36 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 17:19 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 18:05 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 18:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 18:17 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 18:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 17:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 18:04 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-29 18:12 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 18:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-29 18:52 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 21:20 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 21:38 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 7:11 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 7:27 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 7:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 10:44 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 11:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 11:25 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 11:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 12:13 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 12:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 12:28 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 12:48 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 15:21 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 15:32 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 15:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 4:07 ` Gerd Möllmann
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