From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim McNamara Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:43:04 -0600 Organization: ipHouse - Welcome Home! Message-ID: References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136321046 22286 80.91.229.2 (3 Jan 2006 20:44:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 03 21:44:03 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ett0I-0006Ub-Do for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:43:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ett1w-0002nu-E2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:45:16 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!green.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!news-1.mpls.iphouse.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:N28MaFuXypD1/h2xZWdAOe5OjD4= Original-Lines: 31 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 03 Jan 2006 14:43:04 CST Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 6b39b0b5.newsreader.iphouse.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=[R>\QJjHdZ7CRED; I=`Mg:UU[C:R=]Mb:eHS>e[L>830OMK2lIF3^T List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32390 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > But you should still point out that you are searching for help on a > non-GNU derivative of a GNU project that only runs on a proprietary > system, and do this under conditions that preclude this work to be > of use for the upstream project. I don't think that a GNU help list > is the right place for that. Out of curiosity, what would be the right place for that? Aquamacs is a benefit for Mac users, being native to the interface. The "straight" GNU Emacs is lacking in many ways in terms of its useability (from the perspective of Mac users, anyway). I really don't understand your hostility towards either the Aquamacs project, or to the developer, or to Mac OS X, or whatever bug is up your britches. Do you think that GNU Emacs should not be available to anyone not running a free Linux or BSD OS? That it should not run on Mac OS or OS X, or on Windows or any other "proprietary" OS? Were you angry and hostile towards Andrew Choi for making the Carbon Emacs port possible? After all, that only runs on Mac OSes as well. Fortunately for the rest of us, Stallman took a different view way back in the day. He decided it was OK to use proprietary software to build free software. Adding Aquamacs to the Emacsen available in the world increases freedom, since it too is free. The only way it will cause a fork (as separate like XEmacs) is if the upstream people like yourself become closed minded and hidebound. After all, the existing Emacs icons are pretty damned dated and sorely in need of a facelift.