From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:40:20 -0700 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <561A19AB.5060001@cumego.com> <87io6dl0h0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87lhb82qxc.fsf@gmail.com> <87oag4jk74.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k2qrki45.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737xf9je9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87pp0fm0j3.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3kusx8z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhb26eb9.fsf@gnu.org> <876126key3.fsf@gnu.org> <83fv1a6bfu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1weo7u9.fsf@gnu.org> <83zizi3qr0.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhb1n81y.fsf@gnu.org> <83si594wt3.fsf@gnu.org> <87io64iigs.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3kso1gr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wpuks5ek.fsf@T420.taylan> <83vba4i1z3.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445186448 13150 80.91.229.3 (18 Oct 2015 16:40:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:40:48 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 18:40:34 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Znr0c-0006Wz-AS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:40:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34609 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znr0b-0001ul-Ed for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:40:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37220) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znr0X-0001ue-UA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:40:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znr0S-0003AD-Ty for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:40:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22f]:34366) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znr0S-0003A9-PD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:40:24 -0400 Original-Received: by padhk11 with SMTP id hk11so5006853pad.1 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:40:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=NLC9NvleBO8tioFbxkTghK8SECU06ZphMWd1uBzBw1Q=; b=EsMxrJXn5cv7YnkJWsZgMCGBnYMz9VU25wNmE+OgSbxGCazO5nAPH0UBSqm/1FIiVe MA1y1vPjOV8e0d3qBlRWoooXM3V9AznYUnV/XJKfKACbAAhBOEbHIl/oDrQCjPDortiQ n4h/JSH4w3tGLSIpkbMeXat3VqtN+WXdFyVH+GrP8rexRQ72XtX9+sMk+e0mbI4vH/6G 0EvN6rRNkv5LHLhjBQGKgFvuHYd/t3517MlmqLZw/ybb9ngZ+0xqo/ZdSb3sY+qkGn4q oy7LLgFkiqwdKUfbkXnAQ6hb/LbI31E30tFt2W19Kd3zEgFqWr61/hrAZaPhdGF3qSBx cp0Q== X-Received: by 10.68.134.170 with SMTP id pl10mr29479252pbb.35.1445186424040; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id yt6sm195550pac.6.2015.10.18.09.40.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 542D1F45C5D2; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:40:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83vba4i1z3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 18 Oct 2015 19:19:12 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191968 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > One of the major lessons Emacs development learned since Emacs 20.1 is that > raw bytes happen as part of text (a.k.a. "strings"), and therefore there's a > need to support a mixture of these two in the same buffer/string. I think > that's something Guile should support as well, as that will make it a more > powerful and flexible extension language, able to deal with a wider range of > real-life situations. I'd like to second Eli's recommendation. In real life, encoding and decoding of bytes to and from characters (codepoints) is never a simple problem. We do need good flexibility here. John