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[174.192.22.125]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z23sm10362906qkb.30.2017.01.29.14.07.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 29 Jan 2017 14:07:43 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Hermes.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 17F3985F2BD; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:07:26 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83wpdfxe96.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 28 Jan 2017 19:53:25 +0200") Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::242 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211741 Archived-At: >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: EZ> I'm saying that the benefits do not necessarily outweigh the downsides, at EZ> least IME. And since the goal of having this consistently everywhere is EZ> not really achievable in practice, given our development and maintenance EZ> procedures, we are buying disadvantages on account of an advantage that EZ> will never materialize. I have to say that Eli makes a compelling point here. Even if we mandate it today, we incur the job of keeping a constant look out for people violating this rule forever more, since there is no way to implicitly require it. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2