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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, pieter@vanoostrum.org, 38407@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#38407: 27.0.50; infinite loop with display of large file without newlines
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 08:27:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m21rtjnsfv.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83zhg8hz6j.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:45:40 +0200")

>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:45:40 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:
    >> Thread 1 "emacs" hit Breakpoint 3, bidi_shelve_cache () at bidi.c:981
    >> 981	  alloc = (bidi_shelve_header_size
    >> $25 = 30860
    >> $26 = 71842080
    >> 
    >> which means Emacs is copying 70MB of data every time bidi_shelve_cache
    >> is called, and itʼs called *a lot* in this scenario. Could we not do
    >> this shelving by pointer-swapping or similar rather than copying?

    Eli> Not sure I understand what kind of pointer-swapping you had in mind.
    Eli> We don't swap between 2 buffers here, we save away a snapshot of the
    Eli> iterator state each time we see a character where a line break can be
    Eli> made, so that we could restore that state when we exhaust the window's
    Eli> width.  We must restore the iterator state to continue to the next
    Eli> visual line, and the bidi cache is an integral part of that state.

Yes, I hadn't realized you needed to keep a copy of the data.

    Eli> We could perhaps lower the cache size limit (see
    Eli> BIDI_CACHE_MAX_ELTS_PER_SLOT in bidi.c), which would then
    Eli> proportionally decrease the time for making a copy of the
    Eli> cache.

I tried various values of that down to 5000, it improved matters by a
factor of 8 or so, but the resulting Emacs was still pretty laggy
(with visual-line-mode enabled).

    Eli> Or
    Eli> we could make some non-trivial changes in the logic of
    Eli> move_it_in_display_line_to (and similar changes in display_line) to
    Eli> detect when the cache becomes too large, and use a backup algorithm
    Eli> that doesn't copy it.  But I question the utility of such changes:
    Eli> they will never get us a speedup like bidi-inhibit-bpa does, and for
    Eli> the relatively rare use case like this one (extremely long lines in a
    Eli> JSON file, with some bracketed parts containing R2L text, and the user
    Eli> activating visual-line-mode on top of that) inhibiting the BPA,
    Eli> whether via so-long or by the user or some other Lisp, sounds like an
    Eli> okay solution to me.  If the JSON file has long lines, but no R2L
    Eli> text, we already have an optimization in bidi.c to avoid having a
    Eli> large cache; and if visual-line-mode is off, the cache doesn't need to
    Eli> be copied so frequently.  So only the combination of the two causes
    Eli> this tremendous slowdown, and bidi-inhibit-bpa solves it better than
    Eli> any alternative.  WDYT?

That sounds reasonable. I see global-so-long-mode is off by default,
do we want to enable it by default? It seems a dis-service to users to
make them have to find out about it by themselves.

Robert





  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-05  7:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-27 21:52 bug#38407: 27.0.50; infinite loop with display of large file without newlines Pieter van Oostrum
2019-11-27 23:38 ` Phil Sainty
2019-11-28  0:30 ` Phil Sainty
2019-11-28  1:22 ` Phil Sainty
2019-11-28  6:51   ` Pieter van Oostrum
2019-11-28 15:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-28 18:30       ` Pieter van Oostrum
2019-11-28 18:53         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-28 22:09           ` Pieter van Oostrum
2019-11-29  7:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-29 11:48               ` Phil Sainty
2019-11-29 13:20                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-29 13:48                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-29 14:26                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-29 14:31                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-29 15:03                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-29 16:53                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-29 19:28                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-29 17:24               ` Pieter van Oostrum
2019-11-29 19:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-30  8:25                   ` Pieter van Oostrum
2019-12-01  7:23                   ` Pieter van Oostrum
2019-12-01 10:37                     ` Phil Sainty
2019-12-01 16:35                       ` Pieter van Oostrum
2019-12-01 18:40                         ` Pieter van Oostrum
2019-12-02 16:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-01 17:45                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02 10:27                         ` Robert Pluim
2019-12-03 11:20                           ` Robert Pluim
2019-12-03 16:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-04  9:15                               ` Robert Pluim
2019-12-04 15:45                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-05  7:27                                   ` Robert Pluim [this message]
2019-12-05 15:01                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-05 20:38                                       ` Phil Sainty
2019-12-06  8:04                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-07  1:28                                           ` Phil Sainty
2019-12-07  7:56                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-28 15:06   ` Eli Zaretskii

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