From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default emacs init file location confusion Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:05:33 +0100 Message-ID: References: <539DBEA2-E758-4CB0-B886-F908CF0525B6@gnu.org> <83pnfuaqj3.fsf@gnu.org> <83imllc3iq.fsf@gnu.org> <87eew9q4rt.fsf@windriver.com> <83tv538d0q.fsf@gnu.org> <7f532a3b-a812-3088-936c-e15a35b58654@cs.ucla.edu> <874kwz1in5.fsf@yandex.com> <87zherz6us.fsf@yandex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="6490"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Paul Eggert , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Colin Baxter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 13 17:09:05 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ir2Ed-000p0q-SP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:06:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52314 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ir2Ec-00048G-Lg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 11:06:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42925) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ir2Dk-0003SX-IT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 11:05:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ir2Di-0002JX-NY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 11:05:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x32b.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::32b]:51374) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ir2Di-0002Cv-6G; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 11:05:38 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id d73so10317775wmd.1; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 08:05:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hJrB1JWgEwjafzBq4AekcND21Nhs3NVaVmKO0m/shtU=; b=ei6abtm9X/dVMJZdoyVnJFUIxZ+CqC3w7R64i2qsXYbS8OPpxzqVklVbVJhMfvaCD/ J91eDrosJg/RYZoUClhujhTBBtPQdsBLdCkI85kgusbQ+4OXOJWSATXw8+lp6S0jKftl z1/gGXCGY2bjTpnSUKw2plnju6eUr5hPnzE7F9mTkuI/PFW85xqonx0jc5lHd29vs8yP YERS+7ythEX6EiMnW/JFueksekfWgDR/FiujwWRfSN7C5Gb/ybRhXuyVFt3OYiS+Z3hn Bpc6P4BKIH7XUYpKP1lVUaX7DnUGtm+jhzO0j4zpZ9Ak6nynemtme6CUImoA5pWIKSgv joOQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hJrB1JWgEwjafzBq4AekcND21Nhs3NVaVmKO0m/shtU=; b=LdbgfpSOVBJZ6NBdgW5v3ZbN0wgnB+UHqQmkET/1+FNv0HLbLd9lACpz6BmgUss1ub X0PnwkRppKVvmvF55bYwmkjMBGtDhOcMjg8l8n4z84U446PdfWKsOG7RdEccuAJD7i7l welXH6EkEowaeftf0fNa2vn7nuzf7mnVH6N7r9VFAebDksldCc2iNLUfbTnv4HbgPp/x H2MeHS1oztu7f+bNc76nywcLS7REhzqsGfiLAjXqjsNoNnW1GEHVHQEJ/ikfeZ/oEZ/g 2V7gsOulslbMYNbErM4rnyXiw3szUaXxpN20qp1o5ynOmaw+y4JkL+YLBem3Ij3ld3j2 TDWw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUb1DH6Kt8qMni7xeOEfGPUt4Ukya8TtVveuI2QB7fpSIQdXV0l zas63IVSYpv7Ejv3ZNwLHL9XFQVuPf0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwXmFT8kmTz9VIYWR+9/gsizZyKHeLzcfgppYC78ratyRP2MfP1ahdWSB32zSNUn0zf7+QMgQ== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:66d6:: with SMTP id a205mr21274076wmc.171.1578931535280; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 08:05:35 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from rpluim-mac ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m3sm15111062wrs.53.2020.01.13.08.05.34 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 13 Jan 2020 08:05:34 -0800 (PST) Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <87zherz6us.fsf@yandex.com> (Colin Baxter's message of "Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:58:03 +0000") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:244225 Archived-At: >>>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:58:03 +0000, Colin Baxter = said: >>>>> Robert Pluim writes: >>>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:27:26 +0000, Colin Baxter = said: >>>>> Robert Pluim writes: >>>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 08:53:47 +0100, Robert Pluim s= aid: Robert> This requires an etc/NEWS update as well. >>>> Comments definitely welcome. Any hint of possible ambiguity is >>>> to be ruthlessly eliminated. >>>> +++ ** Emacs can now use the XDG convention for init files. For >>>> example, it can look for init.el in "~/.config/emacs/init.el", >>>> and similarly for other init files. Colin> For those emacs users who are not computer science graduates, Colin> could something be included in NEWS, say a URL link, to Colin> explain *briefly* this XDG convention? >> I don=CA=BCt know about brief, but there=CA=BCs >> Colin> Yes, I've seen that url before. I was thinking more along the li= nes of few Colin> words on why it's necessary now for emacs to adopt the conventio= n - it Colin> is after all only a convention. However, I don't want to re-star= t the Colin> ~/.emacs.d versus ~/.config/emacs argument! We=CA=BCre not adopting the convention, we=CA=BCre allowing users to take advantage of it if they wish. I guess we could say that in NEWS, but I fear it would be a bit tautological: "If you want to use the XDG conventions, put your files in the XDG location" Robert.