How to reply to a mailing list retrieved via Gnus gmane?

How to reply to a mailing list retrieved via Gnus gmane?

[Y. E.]

Hello,

- My configured email client is Rmail.
- Gnus is configured to retrieve mailing lists articles from news.gmane.io.

How do I reply to a mailing list "article" retrieved from news.gmane.io
with Gnus?

I tried the commands listed here:
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Summary-Mail-Commands.html

Specifically, `S L' and `S W' seemed to be appropriate ones.
But on each attempt it seems to me only 4 headers are filled, such as:

To: help-gnu-emacs...
Subject: Re: auto-filled subject...
From: my from address
Gcc: nnfolder+archive:sent.2021-09

I see no Message-ID (or In-Reply-To) auto-filled, isn't it required?


*** Extra: Rmail
I also attempted to reply by loading mbox file to Rmail and replying to all
from it. In-Reply-To header was auto-filled in this case, I sent the message,
but it didn't seem to reach the destination.

Any advice?

Thank you.

How to reply to a mailing list retrieved via Gnus gmane?

[Y. E.]

Hello,

*** Context

- My configured email client is Rmail.
- Gnus is configured to retrieve mailing lists articles from news.gmane.io.


*** Question

How do I reply to a mailing list "article" retrieved from news.gmane.io
with Gnus?


*** Attempted

I tried the commands listed here:
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Summary-Mail-Commands.html

Specifically, `S L' and `S W' seemed to be appropriate ones.
But on each attempt it seems to me only 4 headers are filled, such as:

To: help-gnu-emacs...
Subject: Re: auto-filled subject...
From: my from address
Gcc: nnfolder+archive:sent.2021-09

I see no Message-ID (or In-Reply-To) auto-filled, isn't it required?


*** Extra: Rmail

I also attempted to reply by loading mbox file to Rmail and replying to all
from it. In-Reply-To header was auto-filled in this case, so I sent the message,
but it didn't seem to reach the destination, at least not the mailing list.
(>30 mins have passed since that attempt.)


I expect it'd be something super-simple I'm missing here.

Thank you.

Re: How to reply to a mailing list retrieved via Gnus gmane?

[Bird]

"Y. E." <yet@ego.team> writes:

> Hello,
Hi,

> - My configured email client is Rmail.
> - Gnus is configured to retrieve mailing lists articles from news.gmane.io.
>
> How do I reply to a mailing list "article" retrieved from news.gmane.io
> with Gnus?
>
> I tried the commands listed here:
> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Summary-Mail-Commands.html
>
> Specifically, `S L' and `S W' seemed to be appropriate ones.
> But on each attempt it seems to me only 4 headers are filled, such as:
>
> To: help-gnu-emacs...
> Subject: Re: auto-filled subject...
> From: my from address
> Gcc: nnfolder+archive:sent.2021-09
>
> I see no Message-ID (or In-Reply-To) auto-filled, isn't it required?
(Take this as a test example)

Message-ID is generated automatically.
If you press C-c C-o (message-sort-headers), you should see some extra
information.
For gmane specifically, you can add these lines to init.el so pressing F
and f will send to the correct place.

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(setq gnus-mailing-list-groups
            (rx bol (opt "nntp" (1+ nonl) ":") (or "gmane."
                                                   "linux."
                                                   "mozilla.")))
#+end_src

(this was suggested by someone on either gmane.emacs.gnus.general or gmane.emacs.gnus.user)

Re: How to reply to a mailing list retrieved via Gnus gmane?

[Y. E.]

> If you press C-c C-o (message-sort-headers), you should see some extra
> information.

Thank you. I searched for "toggle" so didn't find the command myself.
Yes, `C-c C-o' showed `References' header[1] was auto-added too.

> For gmane specifically, you can add these lines to init.el so pressing F
> and f will send to the correct place.

> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
> (setq gnus-mailing-list-groups
>             (rx bol (opt "nntp" (1+ nonl) ":") (or "gmane."
>                                                    "linux."
>                                                    "mozilla.")))
> #+end_src

Thanks again, I'll experiment more with this information.

[1] https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Mail-Headers.html

Best,
YE

Re: How to reply to a mailing list retrieved via Gnus gmane?

[Y. E. via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

> Message-ID is generated automatically.
> If you press C-c C-o (message-sort-headers), you should see some extra
> information.
> For gmane specifically, you can add these lines to init.el so pressing F
> and f will send to the correct place.
>
> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
> (setq gnus-mailing-list-groups
>             (rx bol (opt "nntp" (1+ nonl) ":") (or "gmane."
>                                                    "linux."
>                                                    "mozilla.")))
> #+end_src
>
> (this was suggested by someone on either gmane.emacs.gnus.general or gmane.emacs.gnus.user)

Hi Bird,

Eventually I set `gnus-mailing-list-groups' to "^gmane" (which should be
enough for my setup), so this is the first email I'm sending with the
auto-filled by Gnus headers.

Have a nice day!
YE

Re: How to reply to a mailing list retrieved via Gnus gmane?

[Y. E. via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

This is an attempt to fix the From header, which contains auto-added
"via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor" part when delivered.

Before sending this message 'gnus-post-method' was set to 'native'.

Re: How to reply to a mailing list retrieved via Gnus gmane?

[Bird]

Y. E. via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
<help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:

> This is an attempt to fix the From header, which contains auto-added
> "via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor" part when delivered.
>
> Before sending this message 'gnus-post-method' was set to 'native'.
Hello, Y. E.

I suspect the reason for "Y. E. via Users list for the GNU Emacs text
editor <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>" is because you're not subscribed to
this mailing list. (i suspect) Only subscribed members are able to post
here directly while un-subscribed people's messages are moderated
(currently by dimitry is my guess).

But, your previous message did reach to me from your address correctly
so it's all good  \o/
-- 
Fortune:
The reason they're called wisdom teeth is that the experience makes you wise.

Re: How to reply to a mailing list retrieved via Gnus gmane?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Bird <birdsite@airmail.cc>
> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 15:03:53 +0000
> Cc: "Y. E." <yet@ego.team>
> 
> I suspect the reason for "Y. E. via Users list for the GNU Emacs text
> editor <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>" is because you're not subscribed to
> this mailing list.

No, it's unrelated to being subscribed.

But discussing this is really off-topic on this list, so please let's
not.

Re: How to reply to a mailing list retrieved via Gnus gmane?

[Bird]

Y. E. via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
<help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:

> Before sending this message 'gnus-post-method' was set to 'native'.
from the manual (info "(gnus) Posting Server") ,
        Finally, if you want to always post using the native select method,
        you can set this variable to ‘native’.

But your native select method is gmane as indicated by the message
before this one. So this will try to send it using gmane, i
guess. However, i do not know much about this territory and someone else
might help you. My suggestion is to wait about a week and if you still
don't find an answer to this, try sending a cross-posted mail in
gmane.emacs.gnus.{general,user} and gmane.discuss

(in this message, the X-Draft-From header was removed)
I haven't changed much in gnus and it works so...
My ~/.gnus.el roughly looks like this:

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
  (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.io")
	gnus-secondary-select-methods
	'((nnmaildir "bird"
		     (directory "~/Mail")
		     (gnus-search-engine gnus-search-notmuch))))
  ;; don't use .newsrc files
  (setq gnus-save-newsrc-file nil
	gnus-read-newsrc-file nil)
  ;; do we care about new groups in server?
  (setq gnus-save-killed-list nil
	gnus-check-new-newsgroups 'ask-server)
  ;; posting styles
  (setq gnus-posting-styles
	'((".*"
	   (name "Bird")
	   (address "birdsite@airmail.cc")
	   (signature (concat "Fortune:\n" (shell-command-to-string "fortune"))))))
  ;; sending mail
  (setq mail-user-agent 'message-user-agent)
  (setq mail-specify-envelope-from t
	sendmail-program "/bin/msmtp"
	mail-envelope-from 'header
	message-sendmail-envelope-from 'header
	message-send-mail-function 'message-send-mail-with-sendmail)

  ;; sorting groups by use  (info "(gnus) Group Score")
  ;; this actually dosen't work for some reason :(
  (add-hook 'gnus-summary-exit-hook #'gnus-summary-bubble-group)
  ;; treat mail-to-nntp groups as mailing list
  (setq gnus-mailing-list-groups
	(rx bol (opt "nntp" (1+ nonl) ":") (or "gmane."
					       "linux."
					       "mozilla.")))
  (setq gnus-summary-next-group-on-exit nil)

#+end_src

-- 
Fortune:
"No, `Eureka' is Greek for `This bath is too hot.'"
		-- Dr. Who

Re: How to reply to a mailing list retrieved via Gnus gmane?

[Y. E. via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

I appreciate your help, Bird, and hopefully will figure it out sooner or
later.