From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arash Esbati Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why not include all ELPA packages in an Emacs release? Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 12:52:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87bk4ql3u5.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <864jagu9ji.fsf@gnu.org> <878qzspd9j.fsf@gnu.org> <861q5jsv8r.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24389"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: tsdh@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, jb@jeremybryant.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, philipk@posteo.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 30 12:53:51 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sCdPr-00063P-43 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 May 2024 12:53:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sCdP6-00075p-Hi; Thu, 30 May 2024 06:53:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sCdP4-00075d-AH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2024 06:53:02 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sCdP2-0004vs-UB; Thu, 30 May 2024 06:53:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=Yz4zSiUpn2xaRQfQEgiZB94YSrDKxHGXvMhNszymDWk=; b=IEaerydBXs12Fx86l1uv PlLMjXEt08dHCzy7dKsRml0duNCwwU/XFH9Xs78WMzTEUEAAYbzi4N4pwwBUBt6XIFILx1g+8xIjc 9BqFPSV6PDRFwWGLPfmVk8WmYJHuwo3jO564Uz88Ad1tXEvQ9yeJyU9Es0r51v4Sdg4N+wz5OktHV wSXzqdSg8lWEY5AVIKIHytn0zZgwelmpIz03w04ewCI6BEPPiairL0byufDN29m6+XGZ9GV3Yv6VF mPHZW1meR2awKT9wjriyyUBsSUZWATjS1Zg8KXvAYLl4j1XV1Zw6RoGlql6hAgaX58a7cUjZA2LQI DMxeQRKiEZ0eGg==; In-Reply-To: <861q5jsv8r.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 30 May 2024 08:51:16 +0300") X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:319739 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Arash Esbati >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , >> jb@jeremybryant.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, >> philipk@posteo.net >> Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 00:04:49 +0200 >> >> > I mean, it's easy to put things into core but hardly possible to remove >> > them again without annoying someone. >> >> Yes, and there is no easy answer, but keeping status quo indefinitely >> doesn't feel right either. > > Why not? ELPA was invented for this reason, among others. There's > nothing wrong, AFAIU, with having some packages on ELPA instead of in > the tarball. package.el nowadays makes it easy to install and update > such packages, so where's the problem? What I meant was: If one finds out that a change is justified and a good idea now, then one shouldn't hold back the change with the argument "it is easy to do now and hard to replace/revert in x years when something else is en vogue". Making a change just for change's sake is not what I meant. And I'm a happy ELPA user. Best, Arash