From: Stefan <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows
Date: 24 Aug 2004 22:51:21 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1zn4keybx.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <001801c48a37$995d27f0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488>
> I agree that the packaging and user-preferences basically should be
> separated. But it is also important to make a more easy road to emacs for an
> ms windows user. To turn on all these things above are options at the
> installation (except for gnuserv and the printing, see below).
There are also W32 users who've learned Emacs before and who e.g. don't want
CUA-mode. I understand your desire, and I think the best way to do that is
to have an installation option to install a "vanilla Emacs" or "Emacs with
w32 tweaks". I think it's important to make it clear that it's not quite
"plain vanilla Emacs" for reasons of bug-reporting and things like that.
> I think that gnuserv always should be installed. Since I am only using ms
> windows (I have never time to switch to Linux) I am not sure how it looks on
> other platforms. I believe I read that gnuserv is included there (or
> something similar). Is that correct?
I think adding gnuserv is fine, since it replaces the missing
emacsclient/emacsserver (of course, what should really happen is that we
should get emacscliant/emacsserver working on w32 so you don't need to add
gnuserv, but in the mean time it's a good workaround).
[ I don't know enough about w32 printing to comment on your suggestion. ]
>> let's say I start your Emacs and see "gee he turned on CUA-mode, that
> sucks
>> for me". What do I do? Normally, to turn CUA off, a user should do
>> (CUA-mode -1) or you use custom. Your site-start.el or default.el changes
>> should correctly react to either one of those things.
> I turn on the options just as if the user had used "Options - Customize
> Emacs" so I do not believe it is a problem.
Huh? How do you do that? If you call custom-set-variables in site-start.el
or default.el, it won't be the same as if you called it in .emacs because
the user has no way to change those settings AFAIK. Have you tried it?
Actually maybe it works from site-start.el?
Have you also tried the case where the user uses (CUA-mode -1) instead
of using customize?
Note also that if you call custom-set-variables, if the user subsequently
does a custom-save, it will put a duplicate of your custom-set-variables
into her .emacs (because Emacs doesn't know that those settings were not
originally made from .emacs).
Incidentally, isn't this a case where a custom theme could advantageously
be used?
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-08-25 2:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-08-02 22:17 Emacs Installer for MS Windows Lennart Borgman
2004-08-03 4:41 ` Dhruva Krishnamurthy
2004-08-04 20:37 ` Peter 'Luna' Runestig
2004-08-04 20:55 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-05 6:51 ` Peter 'Luna' Runestig
2004-08-05 6:55 ` Peter 'Luna' Runestig
2004-08-05 7:26 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-05 8:18 ` Dhruva Krishnamurthy
2004-08-05 14:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-06 4:17 ` Dhruva Krishnamurthy
2004-08-06 13:43 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-06 13:56 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-06 17:07 ` Peter 'Luna' Runestig
2004-08-27 21:26 ` Peter 'Luna' Runestig
2004-08-06 15:39 ` Frank Schmitt
2004-08-07 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-23 19:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-23 19:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-24 18:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-24 18:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-24 19:31 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-24 19:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-25 0:06 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-25 2:51 ` Stefan [this message]
2004-08-26 18:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-26 18:35 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-26 21:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-26 21:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-25 4:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-25 7:09 ` Peter 'Luna' Runestig
2004-08-25 16:01 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-25 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-26 15:17 ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2004-08-26 16:09 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-26 16:21 ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2004-08-26 18:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-26 16:29 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2004-08-26 16:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-26 17:40 ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2004-08-26 18:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-27 6:52 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2004-08-26 18:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-26 19:41 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-08-26 22:17 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-27 9:22 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-08-27 13:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-27 13:38 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-08-27 15:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-27 15:24 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2004-08-27 15:42 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-08-28 1:36 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-27 15:16 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-27 15:47 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-28 1:36 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-27 15:44 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-27 16:14 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-26 15:51 ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2004-08-26 16:52 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-26 19:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-26 19:49 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-08-23 19:59 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-24 5:37 ` Dhruva Krishnamurthy
2004-08-24 16:33 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-08-24 21:02 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-24 21:09 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-25 4:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-25 16:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-25 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-25 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-05 11:18 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2004-08-05 15:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-04 21:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-04 22:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-05 2:05 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2004-08-05 2:40 ` David Kastrup
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-08-04 21:42 Robert Anderson
2004-08-24 7:04 Berndl, Klaus
2004-08-24 17:35 ` Steven Tamm
2004-08-24 18:08 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-24 21:20 ` Steven Tamm
2004-08-24 21:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-25 1:02 ` Steven Tamm
2004-08-25 2:38 ` Stefan
2004-08-25 4:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-25 7:48 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-24 21:55 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-25 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-25 0:24 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-25 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-25 7:56 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-25 22:40 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-25 23:03 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-26 7:04 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-08-26 7:56 ` David Kastrup
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