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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297663 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: > off-by-two: there=CA=BCs also the "I want syntax highlighting and > indentation to work out of the box, don=CA=BCt bother me with > implementation details" camp, which kind of implies that we should > turn on tree-sitter by default if it=CA=BCs available. > I think it's still early to enable Tree-sitter by default. We're not sure about the trade-offs compared to the current implementation. I'd leave it off by default, at least for Emacs 29, even if the Tree-sitter library is installed. I agree with you that we should make it as transparent to users as possible. Enabling something like global-treesit-mode should automatically make major modes and some minor modes (code folding?) use Tree-sitter if possible (and they should fallback to the non-Tree-sitter-based logic if the Tree-sitter-based one is not implemented yet). For advanced users, we can offer the buffer-local minor mode, and even offer the "per feature" toggles that were suggested in this thread.