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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3c447644384daf126143c8830d8063c1; Tue, 07 Mar 2023 11:03:46 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87y1o8c39u.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> (Manuel Giraud via's message of "Tue, 07 Mar 2023 10:35:41 +0100") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21284 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=77.238.176.162; envelope-from=mardani29@yahoo.es; helo=sonic311-30.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:257439 Archived-At: Manuel Giraud via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" writes: > Simen Heggest=C3=B8yl writes: > > [...] > >> Or could perhaps the change in return values from >> `forward-sentence'/`backward-sentence' be reverted to old behavior, and >> the counting logic be left to `count-sentences' instead? > > Hi Simen, > > Yes maybe I could change `count-sentences' a bit to do this. What > others think of such a change? I'm all for reverting to the traditional return values of the sentence commands, specially if they don't complicate the new command much. The return value was not documented, but Hyrum's Law (https://www.hyrumslaw.com/) tells us that there is an unknown amount of code out there that depends on the traditional return value, anyway.