From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [jerome.marant@free.fr: Re: Possible help with stable Emacs releases.] Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:25:13 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <1096291271.415813c757a26@imp6-q.free.fr> <20040927134714.GA20012@fencepost> <87hdphx91c.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87655wswkv.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <01c4a6f8$Blat.v2.2.2$f6ef61c0@zahav.net.il> <20040930143404.GB2296@fencepost> <01c4a703$Blat.v2.2.2$9a627220@zahav.net.il> <1096559619.415c2c031623c@imp4-q.free.fr> <01c4a707$Blat.v2.2.2$99a73ba0@zahav.net.il> <1096576951.415c6fb768430@imp3-q.free.fr> <1096615373.415d05cde9dfe@imp1-q.free.fr> <1096642167.415d6e7709daf@imp1-q.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1096648033 14714 80.91.229.6 (1 Oct 2004 16:27:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rlb@defaultvalue.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 01 18:27:03 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CDQFK-0006wE-00 for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:27:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CDQLk-0000oO-Tj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CDQKs-0000MR-Dz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:32:46 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CDQKq-0000L8-Fu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:32:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CDQKq-0000K1-1r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:32:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [206.47.199.163] (helo=simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CDQDm-0008S8-Kp; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:25:27 -0400 Original-Received: from empanada.home ([67.68.219.139]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20041001162303.LSB1635.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@empanada.home>; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:23:03 -0400 Original-Received: by empanada.home (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3745530C3E5; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?J=E9r=F4me_Marant?= In-Reply-To: <1096642167.415d6e7709daf@imp1-q.free.fr> =?iso-8859-1?q?=28J=E9r=F4me?= Marant's message of "Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:49:27 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3.50 (darwin) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:27783 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:27783 > Sorry, I probably misread you. It's good to start the discussion early > in order to come to agreements on every single detail, before doing > anything. I guess my point was exactly the opposite: Not only trying to agree on every detail before doing "anything" can artifically delay the beginning of "anything", but it's simply impossible because you never know all the possible details beforehand and because people might originally agree on X but later on discover that it's actually not acceptable to them in practice, contrary to what they thought. So in practice, whether you plan it that way or not, you end up fixing details on the fly. So I think it's better to accept this fact as a given and work with it rather than against it. What that boils down to, is that someone's commitment will depend on how much implicit or explicit positive feedback he experiences *in practice* (not just in preliminary discussions). So go step by step and "ajuste le tir" as you move (hpefully) forward. Theory is just no match to practice, Stefan