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[94.62.139.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j17sm8884641wrw.0.2019.02.03.12.22.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 03 Feb 2019 12:22:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83tvhkvlx3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 03 Feb 2019 19:09:28 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:155059 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> As has been done at least 10 times in this thread, I propose to do the >> former first and then discuss the latter. I can also say that I am a >> bit tired of this: the thread has got so entangled that I'm now spending >> time re-explaining these relatively simple premises. > > I don't think I get this: you have asked for my opinion. Now you seem > to say you are tired of discussing this Not really. But it seems in trying to untangle this thread, I've only tangled it more... Let me try one last time. 2 days ago, you decided to chime in very tersely: "No, I don't think so" https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D33870#380 , presumably saying that the default behaviour in Emacs 26.1 doesn't make sense for a specific edge case that I had been testing. Because you may have been misunderstanding I replied with a detailed explanation of the reasoning for that particular behaviour in: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D33870#383 , which you didn't reply to, but Dmitry accepted as sufficient validation for the current behaviour. Meanwhile, Juri used this opportunity to insist that the current behaviour is sub-optimal. I didn't state (much) disagreement: IMO changing the default can be on the table, but I said perhaps we should wait for your confirmation that the "No, I don't think so" really means that you think the 26.1 default _should_ be changed. Somewhere along the line we started miscommunicating that someone was asking the other for input, but for me this is very simple: let's install Juri's latest patch, which allows for configuring different behaviors and _then_ discuss which one, if any, of the set of new possibilities could become the new default. Also sorry if I sounded rude: I wasn't attributing the reasons I am tired of this thread to you. Thanks, Jo=C3=A3o