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[150.46.48.154]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 80sm2442134pfr.90.2017.08.04.03.34.03 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 04 Aug 2017 03:34:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: Tak Kunihiro In-Reply-To: <83efsryd6h.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 04 Aug 2017 11:01:10 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:135336 Archived-At: >> >> I have a similar wish. >> >> >> >> Without revision of engine I think you can (1) restore point, (2) >> >> preserve region, and (3) extend region. >> > >> > How is this different from mark-related features, starting with "C-x C-x"? >> >> "C-x C-x" requires mark. > > Most commands that go far away do leave mark where they were invoked. I agree. Command in my mind that does not leave mark was mwheel-scroll. Also C-v and M-v do not leave mark. I think they should not.