From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Using cl in rst.el and elsewhere Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:21:24 +0800 Message-ID: References: <30996.1335792548@eskebo.merten-home.homelinux.org> <7259.1336421206@theowa.merten-home.homelinux.org> <6563.1338323400@theowa.merten-home.homelinux.org> <5656.1338405342@theowa.merten-home.homelinux.org> <607.1338631547@eskebo.merten-home.homelinux.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1338690112 30122 80.91.229.3 (3 Jun 2012 02:21:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 02:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Merten , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 03 04:21:50 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb0Ru-0006Z5-Nc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 04:21:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46233 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb0Ru-0007pY-1q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:21:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59053) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb0Rq-0007pF-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:21:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb0Ro-0005Lk-No for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:21:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41]:41867) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb0Ro-0005L9-EY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:21:40 -0400 Original-Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so4582142dak.0 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:21:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:face:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=XK4jJdo5e6DQlth3VWDeO+LZzhIaediJiqFAZs9bJ0I=; b=AI9mXKYZmzlvIj6i/FIHMp4CgQinyAqdMRjP2EWJx2YkSRtWLzzdJDalNyUqdaMT+6 2CWtyKmXhSJIOSN8EkP+Gp/jOjkg3pywsNo6NV3dQ/z0L4VAhnNmccz5ViAeMXj67RtD IELoSVAGZj4xv9ARj+MbJCzM2O7pNaIHVaJDJPF6Ba1lU/UHQsQLs65ku/koWm7LDe2d bz2huCYcTIsKIEmN3ouRdqk7oKpX5j8RMwCXNy4Oj7lrrMbI4hcmWVn9If5z5ONISGJj QZHKdis6g6aq5KvU9UzZfJ4YqabDFQBavAB1wRKEsOLZM4Jm4MPh3BkpHsGbWUZih7YU mBdQ== Original-Received: by 10.68.223.167 with SMTP id qv7mr24958692pbc.127.1338690098189; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([221.219.113.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ph9sm8122612pbb.41.2012.06.02.19.21.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAG1BMVEUAAAA9Cgm3Hx1WWFWA gn+WmJWsrqv4+vcCAwCRl2MkAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAAAFiS0dEAIgFHUgAAAAJcEhZcwAAAYoA AAGKATOXMFgAAAAHdElNRQfXAQwDNR+ZJmElAAABIklEQVQoz22SPW+DQAyGWUq65qasd9PNUSX4 AZHK2C1rJy5jpDS4IwRVup9dn7GNafpKIPPgzztXFSujqq1eM2n8h22oMkvxI/i9C97kRfMRUN55 dS3BrsAwBXUtMLAO4lryh8kTjOxKpQNniNxAgZOEe4bZwsDTFhKdqZRLNII4OQNHhEuq/RMkm6Cj TnnEA/fk0BorcYn5qA3oaeAxbaBOLrX+9G48NZ2Fzc2tzDM8Q+tMypEOqYHh8mAWaaK3U/cDMOT5 aMZMABgPXc7zPMs1A8DXO756GFJ/4fMEq47hTsAdn5avoxZ4ywl0c2w4Flu2Ybeyb3S+EqxX2DYA H8veJGEDTnHnrXvRaPyt+2kSfK6rfBZ2tUtfP/mR+pR6sX8BUZ/cDV7tvkoAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:56:27 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (Mac OS X 10.6.8) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.210.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150746 Archived-At: On 2012-06-03 03:56 +0800, Stefan Monnier wrote: > That's indeed the upcoming solution: as discussed somewhat recently, > I suggested we provide a new package `cl-lib' which would be like CL but > with a clean namespace (i.e. everything starts with "cl-"). > Then (require 'cl-lib) would be perfectly acceptable. > cl.el would become a file that just provides a bunch of aliases for > backward compatibility purposes. We are already using CLOS (in the form of EIEIO), so the elisp lib cl.el really has been unfairly treated for such a long time because it was put into emacs too ahead of time and because of rms's dislike of CL (the language). Also putting a cl- in front of everything merely reminds people of Common Lisp. Can we just think of cl.el as some good ideas stolen from Common Lisp and forget about it hereafter. Leo