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From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@fastmail.fm>
To: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Jared Finder <jared@finder.org>,
	74833@debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@gmail.com
Subject: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 22:09:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@fastmail.fm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@gmail.com> ("Gerd Möllmann"'s message of "Mon, 16 Dec 2024 18:30:30 +0100")

On 16/12/2024 18:30 +0100, Gerd Möllmann wrote:

> Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@fastmail.fm> writes:
>
>>> Terminal.app's Command-C can only copy a selection that the app knows
>>> about.
>>
>> Not really - with xterm-mouse-mode disabled (and with "Allow mouse
>> reporting" ticked in Terminal.app menu), mouse selection in Terminal.app
>> is not related to Emacs selection, and copy / paste works.
>
> What I meant with my sentence is that the selection Emacs shows and the
> selection Terminal.app shows and uses are not related to each other.
> Maybe that's a cause of confusion, I don't know.
>
>>
>>> If the mouse is used by an app like Emacs (Terminal.app's
>>> Settings/Report ....)) the user tells Terminal to let the app use the mouse.
>>> I find it little surprising that when Terminal.app does that, it doesn't
>>> use the mouse itself to make a selection it could then copy.
>>
>> It does, although that's Terminal.app's "own" selection, not Emacs's.
>>
>>> Do Command-A Command-C and see what happens.
>>>
>>> Or use Command-R to toggle the mouse reporting setting on the fly.
>>>
>>> Or use xclip in Emacs.
>>>
>>> Please don't disable xterm-mouse for this.
>>
>> Again, it turns out that the new default leads to copy not working at
>> all, while with previous default you could make selection in
>> Terminal.app (it's not reflected in Emacs) and then copy.  Paste works
>> in both cases.  It still looks to me that the old default is better.  If
>> you enable xterm-mouse-mode, then perhaps you should also use xclip, not
>> just the mode itself.
>
> Mouse support by default is an important feature, IMO. It makes the menu
> bar usable, or in a future Emacs containing tty child frames tooltips
> can be shown. Not to mention setting point and what else.
>
> What's the positive effect of turning mouse support off by default?
> Command-C works for users who haven't set up terminal Emacs well enough
> that they could use M-w, plus in addition don't know Terminal.app well
> enough to know about Command-R or Fn + mouse.

My point is exactly that Command-C _doesn't work_ for them, with current
defaults (xterm-mouse-mode on in Emacs; "Allow mouse reporting" ticked -
which is the default for a new Terminal.app tab, at least here).

> I think it's best if we simply agree to disagree.

I don't think we disagree much, I see the value of xterm-mouse-mode
(although I like "just text" on tty, no menus etc.), the only thing
which concerns me (and is the reason for this bug) are "half-broken"
defaults.  We're discussing whether to disable xterm-mouse-mode only in
Terminal.app, not everywhere.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-12-16 19:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-12 17:54 bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled Filipp Gunbin
2024-12-12 18:08 ` Ship Mints
2024-12-12 18:18   ` Filipp Gunbin
2024-12-12 18:20     ` Ship Mints
2024-12-12 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-12 19:18   ` Ship Mints
2024-12-12 19:32     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-12 20:07       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-12 20:31       ` Ship Mints
2024-12-13  7:21         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-13 14:46           ` Ship Mints
2024-12-13 16:35           ` Filipp Gunbin
2024-12-13 16:42             ` Ship Mints
2024-12-13 16:52               ` Ship Mints
2024-12-13 20:46                 ` Filipp Gunbin
2024-12-13 16:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-13 20:32               ` Filipp Gunbin
2024-12-13 20:54                 ` Ship Mints
2024-12-14  7:52                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-14  9:40                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-16 16:32                     ` Filipp Gunbin
2024-12-16 17:30                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-16 17:42                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-16 17:53                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-16 19:09                         ` Filipp Gunbin [this message]
2024-12-16 19:20                           ` Ship Mints
2024-12-16 19:57                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-16 19:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-16 20:07                               ` Ship Mints
2024-12-16 20:19                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-17  3:32                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-17 12:32                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-18 17:50                                       ` Ship Mints
2024-12-19  5:16                                         ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-19 17:23                                           ` Ship Mints
2024-12-20 18:48                                             ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-22  4:49                                             ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-22  6:12                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22  7:46                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                 ` <861pxy5zxk.fsf@gnu.org>
2024-12-23 13:36                                                   ` Ship Mints
2024-12-23 13:55                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 14:44                                                       ` Ship Mints
2024-12-23 15:06                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 19:43                                                           ` Ship Mints
2024-12-26 23:51                                                             ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-27  8:02                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28  7:08                                                                 ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-28  8:54                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29  5:16                                                                     ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-29  7:13                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02  7:10                                                                         ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-02  8:10                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 16:55                                                                             ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 13:15                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 18:25                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-16 19:53                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-16 20:25                             ` Filipp Gunbin
2024-12-16 20:29                               ` Ship Mints
2024-12-12 19:55   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-16  1:41 ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-16  3:40   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-16  5:16     ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-16 16:37       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-16 16:47         ` Ship Mints
2024-12-16 17:36         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-16 16:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-16 16:49   ` Filipp Gunbin

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