* Suggestion for epa-mail-mode @ 2010-07-26 2:53 Richard Stallman 2010-07-26 3:26 ` Daiki Ueno 2010-07-27 16:57 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2010-07-26 2:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel; +Cc: Daiki Ueno epa-mail.el defines these keys: (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-ed" 'epa-mail-decrypt) (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-ev" 'epa-mail-verify) (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-es" 'epa-mail-sign) (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-ee" 'epa-mail-encrypt) (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-ei" 'epa-mail-import-keys) (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-eo" 'epa-insert-keys) I suggest also defining C-c C-c C-d, etc, because a sequence of all control chars is easier to type. Is there any overall documentation of epa mode? I want to try it, but I can't see how to use it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion for epa-mail-mode 2010-07-26 2:53 Suggestion for epa-mail-mode Richard Stallman @ 2010-07-26 3:26 ` Daiki Ueno 2010-07-26 4:27 ` Werner LEMBERG 2010-07-27 16:57 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Daiki Ueno @ 2010-07-26 3:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: rms; +Cc: emacs-devel Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes: > epa-mail.el defines these keys: > > (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-ed" 'epa-mail-decrypt) > (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-ev" 'epa-mail-verify) > (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-es" 'epa-mail-sign) > (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-ee" 'epa-mail-encrypt) > (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-ei" 'epa-mail-import-keys) > (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-eo" 'epa-insert-keys) > > I suggest also defining C-c C-c C-d, etc, > because a sequence of all control chars is easier to type. Since C-c C-c is currently bound to mail-send-and-exit, using C-c C-c as prefix will be a significant change. Do you have any other key sequences in mind? > Is there any overall documentation of epa mode? > I want to try it, but I can't see how to use it. See "(epa) Top" for epa-mode and "(epa) Mail-mode integration" for epa-mail-mode. Regards, -- Daiki Ueno ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion for epa-mail-mode 2010-07-26 3:26 ` Daiki Ueno @ 2010-07-26 4:27 ` Werner LEMBERG 2010-07-26 5:27 ` Daiki Ueno 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Werner LEMBERG @ 2010-07-26 4:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ueno; +Cc: rms, emacs-devel >> epa-mail.el defines these keys: >> >> (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-ed" 'epa-mail-decrypt) >> (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-ev" 'epa-mail-verify) >> (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-es" 'epa-mail-sign) >> (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-ee" 'epa-mail-encrypt) >> (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-ei" 'epa-mail-import-keys) >> (define-key keymap "\C-c\C-eo" 'epa-insert-keys) >> >> I suggest also defining C-c C-c C-d, etc, >> because a sequence of all control chars is easier to type. > > Since C-c C-c is currently bound to mail-send-and-exit, using C-c > C-c as prefix will be a significant change. Do you have any other > key sequences in mind? I suspect this is a typo on Richard's side. He probably meant `C-c C-e C-d', `C-c C-e C-v', etc. Werner ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion for epa-mail-mode 2010-07-26 4:27 ` Werner LEMBERG @ 2010-07-26 5:27 ` Daiki Ueno 2010-07-26 11:55 ` Leo 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Daiki Ueno @ 2010-07-26 5:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Werner LEMBERG; +Cc: rms, emacs-devel Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes: >> Since C-c C-c is currently bound to mail-send-and-exit, using C-c >> C-c as prefix will be a significant change. Do you have any other >> key sequences in mind? > > I suspect this is a typo on Richard's side. He probably meant `C-c > C-e C-d', `C-c C-e C-v', etc. Aha, I see. Thanks. Done as r100904. Regards, -- Daiki Ueno ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion for epa-mail-mode 2010-07-26 5:27 ` Daiki Ueno @ 2010-07-26 11:55 ` Leo 2010-07-26 15:12 ` ken manheimer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2010-07-26 11:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Daiki Ueno; +Cc: rms, emacs-devel On 2010-07-26 06:27 +0100, Daiki Ueno wrote: > Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes: > >>> Since C-c C-c is currently bound to mail-send-and-exit, using C-c >>> C-c as prefix will be a significant change. Do you have any other >>> key sequences in mind? >> >> I suspect this is a typo on Richard's side. He probably meant `C-c >> C-e C-d', `C-c C-e C-v', etc. > > Aha, I see. Thanks. Done as r100904. I wonder if we should also make pgg obsolete. When I raised this issue over two years ago, this was the agreed plan. As far as I know, there's only one file in Emacs that uses pgg -- allout.el. Its author said he would find time to change to epg but nothing seems to have happened in the past few years. > Regards, Regards, Leo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion for epa-mail-mode 2010-07-26 11:55 ` Leo @ 2010-07-26 15:12 ` ken manheimer 2010-12-20 22:22 ` Leo 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: ken manheimer @ 2010-07-26 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Leo; +Cc: Daiki Ueno, rms, emacs-devel On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2010-07-26 06:27 +0100, Daiki Ueno wrote: > > Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes: > > > >>> Since C-c C-c is currently bound to mail-send-and-exit, using C-c > >>> C-c as prefix will be a significant change. Do you have any other > >>> key sequences in mind? > >> > >> I suspect this is a typo on Richard's side. He probably meant `C-c > >> C-e C-d', `C-c C-e C-v', etc. > > > > Aha, I see. Thanks. Done as r100904. > > I wonder if we should also make pgg obsolete. When I raised this issue > over two years ago, this was the agreed plan. As far as I know, there's > only one file in Emacs that uses pgg -- allout.el. Its author said he > would find time to change to epg but nothing seems to have happened in > the past few years. i've looked at migrating from pgg to epg, but there are some intricacies and i hadn't found the time. i'll have an opportunity to look at it again over the next month, and will try to make the migration. i also have a few change pending release (including making C-h as the terminal part of an allout keybinding optional - default off), and have to look at converting allout to use define-minor-mode. there's another place where the intricacies i put into the allout minor mode implementation are getting in the way, but i guess they warrant clean-up. i'll be working on it all in a few weeks, with priority on the pgg -> epg migration. > > Regards, > > Regards, > > Leo -- ken http://myriadicity.net (ps - i don't keep up with emacs-devel, but do have an arrangement so i'm alerted when allout is mentioned.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion for epa-mail-mode 2010-07-26 15:12 ` ken manheimer @ 2010-12-20 22:22 ` Leo 2010-12-20 22:52 ` ken manheimer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2010-12-20 22:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ken manheimer; +Cc: Daiki Ueno, rms, emacs-devel Hello Ken, On 2010-07-26 16:12 +0100, ken manheimer wrote: > I'LL be working on it all in a few weeks, with priority on the pgg -> > epg migration. Thank you for fixing allout.el for epg ;) Kind regards, Leo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion for epa-mail-mode 2010-12-20 22:22 ` Leo @ 2010-12-20 22:52 ` ken manheimer 2010-12-22 5:39 ` Leo 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: ken manheimer @ 2010-12-20 22:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Leo; +Cc: Daiki Ueno, rms, emacs-devel On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Ken, > > On 2010-07-26 16:12 +0100, ken manheimer wrote: > > I'LL be working on it all in a few weeks, with priority on the pgg -> > > epg migration. > > Thank you for fixing allout.el for epg ;) thanks, leo. i'm genuinely sorry it took so long. in fact, there were some substantial features i had to trade-off in the transition. allout is more cumbersome and error-prone for dealing with symmetric encodings for numerous encrypted entries in a file, because i had to let go of encryption passphrase validation and hinting. that comes in exchange for significantly less insecurity due to no handling of passphrases in emacs code. instead, as always when using epg with GnuPG version 2, all passphrase handling is outside of emacs, in gnupg's gpg, gpg-agent, and pinentry, which i expect are drastically less vulnerable. it is for that reason that i was ultimately willing to forego those features, though i wish i could have more control without greater vulnerability... ken > Kind regards, > Leo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion for epa-mail-mode 2010-12-20 22:52 ` ken manheimer @ 2010-12-22 5:39 ` Leo 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2010-12-22 5:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ken manheimer; +Cc: Daiki Ueno, rms, emacs-devel On 2010-12-20 22:52 +0000, ken manheimer wrote: > thanks, leo. i'm genuinely sorry it took so long. Is it? The key is it is done ;) > in fact, there were some substantial features i had to trade-off in > the transition. allout is more cumbersome and error-prone for dealing > with symmetric encodings for numerous encrypted entries in a file, > because i had to let go of encryption passphrase validation and > hinting. that comes in exchange for significantly less insecurity due > to no handling of passphrases in emacs code. instead, as always when > using epg with GnuPG version 2, all passphrase handling is outside of > emacs, in gnupg's gpg, gpg-agent, and pinentry, which i expect are > drastically less vulnerable. > > it is for that reason that i was ultimately willing to forego those > features, though i wish i could have more control without greater > vulnerability... Many thanks for the hard work. That looks like good compromise. > ken Best, Leo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion for epa-mail-mode 2010-07-26 2:53 Suggestion for epa-mail-mode Richard Stallman 2010-07-26 3:26 ` Daiki Ueno @ 2010-07-27 16:57 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2010-07-27 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: rms; +Cc: ueno, emacs-devel I suggest also defining C-c C-c C-d, etc, As people guessed, I meant C-c C-e C-d, etc. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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