From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 09:53:37 +0800 Message-ID: References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87zkcubbfc.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87vcnibb9t.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87r4y6bams.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <4F3198CE.9000900@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328666046 8793 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2012 01:54:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 01:54:06 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 02:54:05 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RuwjT-0001xt-Gk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:54:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47056 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuwjS-0003WE-VU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:54:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:46415) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuwjN-0003W0-3D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:54:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuwjM-0006B1-6R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:53:57 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:53857) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuwjL-0006Ax-Uq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:53:56 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RuwjI-0001t2-JL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:53:52 +0100 Original-Received: from 114.247.10.82 ([114.247.10.82]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:53:52 +0100 Original-Received: from sdl.web by 114.247.10.82 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:53:52 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 114.247.10.82 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAElBMVEUAAAAAAP+LRRP0pGC+ vr7///+7mT1iAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEwAACxMBAJqcGAAAAAd0SU1FB9cBBwMO DhglKe4AAAEsSURBVCjPbZNBboQwDEV/Cd4X9QJRThApmn0XYW+Jyf2v0m+HhqDBgiAe9rcTG7QH w/1Vn2Ar8gBb/ocywSN3qK9T3z4eFDB4eApocBpeBs1RSykoJd8gQcm8pGmHXFso3ajnmsqV0TnY DQkOfXUfN5NwaI7AWTVOyEhcu1aHmdWItHddUVUcUgUBCkitu8V6ditHVOVdqzl2EQ1ZVGTbdK0V 7cqn8vWzoU5Q/bF9Y/Y0cRU1xwkys5dJ+Dt6pBDWifcNQml8Gh2JVmPSoQzo7en0grswkxrUGYJ7 0hSxxAGr7ZMwYcHIzprpi7TENEE1xtiYxixRlCfPBsUUrwHD7uGIwATrbnODJcVrPpVn3hxiGloe m/S+z3CtuzUSMo83N4DPH+F0evwR3P4A2k+75838OKQAAAAASUVORK5CYII= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (Mac OS X 10.6.8) Cancel-Lock: sha1:a8N3yEw0lXvGCBKewp8/vnH6Tx0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148340 Archived-At: On 2012-02-08 05:42 +0800, Tom Tromey wrote: > I think the existence of EIEIO makes the documentation objection > especially moot. EIEIO is basically CLOS and has a manual of its own, > but AFAICT doesn't have the same use restrictions as cl.el. I have > never understood this discrepancy. > > Tom I agree. I think it is a mistake to object cl.el and let every package author re-invent their own half-baked solution. If cl.el gets more use, I am sure its quality will improve. The status quo is partly due to the objection. BTW, I have (require 'cl) as the first thing in .emacs since a few years ago and never had a problem. Leo