From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-d deleting region considered harmful Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:47:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87eicrx1ls.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83lj6zz9o0.fsf@gnu.org> <87r5gp5hqv.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87bp7r51eo.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1285034218 5039 80.91.229.12 (21 Sep 2010 01:56:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 01:56:58 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 21 03:56:57 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oxs6J-00005C-I3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:56:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56288 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oxs6I-0002lf-TQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:56:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42640 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oxs65-0002Zv-Ix for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:56:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxrxL-0001Uo-26 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:47:40 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:38150) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxrxK-0001Ud-Le for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:47:39 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxrxH-00064g-5r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:47:35 +0200 Original-Received: from cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.9.122.85]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:47:35 +0200 Original-Received: from sdl.web by cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:47:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 14 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAMFBMVEUaFRZLMy1dTENxVzKQ WiCrXQ97cmO/dSqSh3akjGTApXy5sJ7Sxo/Sz8Xo6eP9//xJbkruAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAAlw SFlzAAACxQAAAsUBidZ/7wAAAAd0SU1FB9cBBwMJOwHXewoAAAIBSURBVCjPVdNBiNNAFADQ6J4F x3hThHZBBC+WCFI8SS0iezRDcMHLHkLAg6gJH/fgYQ9xYlj2sLK4KHgqCgXFhda2Idmr4kkQPZQ0 nkQMbTypbMmMM2m7ZgYSmMef/5OZPwo7HFnx3uKPcmj0Dht1LWZJ+Hvr7dIFZXRUwl9VRTuuKDJ+ U44gjscknK4hhJaCkYRsWjmBtLqXlJAG2wipNe18OZJu1BBq1E8xafl4s6Jq2mUZGftU1y7CCxnp FVUDWJXx4C66BKBnErbuoaYNtoRTu6EZBsCbMn7W+5qOAR6WvxNOby9jHWC9hAf3n304CdiAByXs 3Nh9roLDkyb/sWV712vYwaLSAn8CPMHIAAzOPDKP2COAFm4Y4ODVWc6xG7KXsN7UeUJjjimx2uwd gCgNhr0i8C/xyCD5CiCKAMY3Bf5oDzx//w/fimscdcAZU2jv9sedx6+nYPPFIoWI/GK6QZ+EFGOR ErAjCnV3vPZ7XqlTIMbOLY7fLcvvmT7rXNWaGDexIY44N12TG2PDp7vqyl57dnCeuWwyNpnEURxk fTbDYeBnKRn4oejPYI4sH6WviBumEZ/GxX4X/x6EcURFZ7E071bjQGAxpcOAEOJuTiroDEea5Szv rVWLYfl7ZiQwSUToxrkux7OLixAWGz22+HIyWTRYcVfomOwvzusfjtVIGgLHf3MAAAAASUVORK5C YII= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (Mac OS X 10.6.4) Cancel-Lock: sha1:NVeA2kn8C1uhJAsf+etYrumcwNU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130557 Archived-At: On 2010-09-21 02:30 +0100, Miles Bader wrote: > There's little we can do other than trying to minimize unhappiness, > but at least we can (1) keep things customizable, so those that just > can't deal with a change can easily find relief, and (2) try to make > Emacs' UI broadly consistent, so that's it's at least easy for users > to form a mental-model of how things work (and easy to document)... +1 for consistency. BTW, I think the "Newbie Argument" start to smell bad. It merely leads to bad decisions. Sometimes I don't even know if people are talking about the same kind of newbies. Leo