From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [jerome.marant@free.fr: Re: Possible help with stable Emacs releases.] Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:35:03 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <1096291271.415813c757a26@imp6-q.free.fr> <20040927134714.GA20012@fencepost> <87hdphx91c.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87655wswkv.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <01c4a6f8$Blat.v2.2.2$f6ef61c0@zahav.net.il> <20040930143404.GB2296@fencepost> <01c4a703$Blat.v2.2.2$9a627220@zahav.net.il> <1096559619.415c2c031623c@imp4-q.free.fr> <01c4a707$Blat.v2.2.2$99a73ba0@zahav.net.il> <1096576951.415c6fb768430@imp3-q.free.fr> <1096615373.415d05cde9dfe@imp1-q.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1096634149 25497 80.91.229.6 (1 Oct 2004 12:35:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rlb@defaultvalue.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 01 14:35:36 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CDMdL-0002HZ-00 for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:35:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CDMjm-0007tR-PQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:42:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CDMjb-0007sI-OQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:42:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CDMjb-0007rh-5H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:42:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CDMjb-0007rZ-2V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:42:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [206.47.199.166] (helo=simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CDMcq-0006SR-9x; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:35:04 -0400 Original-Received: from empanada.home ([67.68.219.139]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20041001123306.LHTJ1692.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@empanada.home>; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:33:06 -0400 Original-Received: by empanada.home (Postfix, from userid 502) id DA6F630B79A; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?J=E9r=F4me_Marant?= In-Reply-To: <1096615373.415d05cde9dfe@imp1-q.free.fr> =?iso-8859-1?q?=28J=E9r=F4me?= Marant's message of "Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:22:53 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3.50 (darwin) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:27779 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:27779 >> I don't expect any such problem. The worst I expect is that you might >> sometimes be prevented from installing a bugfix because it's not "good >> enough" (which is something that happens all the time anyway). >> Also sometimes things won't go as fast as you'd like. > I've told many time that we won't apply patches without emacs-devel > consents. Right. I assumed so. > Usually, by reading the list, you'll notice that we often forward bug > reports and patches to the list. Sometimes we write patches ourselves for > our users. Yes, I know that, but I have no idea what other patches you apply on the Debian side. From what I've seen of your reports and patches here, I trust you can do the job. >> In order for you not to be frustrated, I think the best option is to take it >> slow: after all, the process already exists, and you're just offering to >> help out, so you can start by just systematically submitting the patches >> that you'd like to apply to Debian's tree (so they get installed in RC), >> then regularly bug people to remind them that we should get the next pretest >> started, ... > Ok, I see. You are worried about giving CVS access to people with a > too low level of trust. I didn't say anything about CVS access. I actually assume you'd get CVS access since I can't see how you could reasonably do the job without CVS access. Maybe it could be done, strictly speaking, but I can't see how anyone could accept to do such a job without getting CVS access. > Well, no matter. The less I do, the more you have to. Maybe will you > manage to prove that it's not worth it because it requires too much > manpower from emacs-devel. I think you misread me. I won't try to slow you down and I hope nobody here will try to either: I was just recommending to you that you take it slow for your own sake (so that if we turn out to be unbearable tyrants for you, you won't feel too bitter). Stefan