From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Crotti Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: c/c++ project management and debugging Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:09:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4D0F4058.6050101@gmail.com> <038dfa58-3e80-4c49-bbd0-c1bbb16c41f1@j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <0d3b97e2-c21c-4a83-a8dc-1ba186a5a405@m11g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292972985 2375 80.91.229.12 (21 Dec 2010 23:09:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:09:45 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 22 00:09:41 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVBKv-0001xO-7O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:09:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46429 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PVBKu-0000vy-NM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:09:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41015 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PVBKX-0000vl-Ki for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:09:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PVBKW-0001nP-Ee for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:09:17 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:39570) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PVBKW-0001nG-3O for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:09:16 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVBKU-0001kc-Em for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:09:14 +0100 Original-Received: from ip1-201.halifax.rwth-aachen.de ([137.226.108.201]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:09:14 +0100 Original-Received: from andrea.crotti.0 by ip1-201.halifax.rwth-aachen.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:09:14 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 43 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip1-201.halifax.rwth-aachen.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:SVGNuSjV1WxS7/SRC7UZ07kwJAw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77762 Archived-At: Elena writes: > > That's what I was talking about: makefiles are akin to assembly > language, with shell commands being the corresponding machine- > language. You should be "compiling" an higher-level language (that > is, a language which understands projects: CMake, etc.) to makefiles. > Never said you shouldn't, but you'd better understand at least how those higher level things work, otherwise you're just playing with black boxes. > That's the problem: every Emacs power user seems to be chasing this > holy grail of a greatly customized Emacs, but I have yet to see a > customized Emacs matching a customized IDE. I've never seen instead an IDE which doesn't suck/eat all my memory for doing nothing/is bloated of useless things and I never find what I really need, but that's maybe my problem :D > > That's their fault, not their IDE's. Comparing an heavily customized > Emacs to a vanilla IDE is not fair. Moreover, I can edit the same > source file both in Emacs and Visual Studio, and each side is just an > hot-key away. I use each tool for its intended purpose: the text- > editor (Emacs) to edit text, the code-editor (IDE) to edit code. If you know enough elisp and bash scripting I really don't see what an IDE can do better (apart from maybe for java). Do you have things like yasnippet/auto-complete/flyspell-prog-mode/org-mode on your wonderful IDE? Any IDE is not easy to customize and work better for some languages only, I really don't see any advantage in using them. I remember when I tried to have a better color theme on eclipse, there is NO support for that, you have to substitute some files with some xml-like syntax with other files. This was only the first annoying thing I found before I closed it (hopefully) forever...