From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Daniel_Mart=C3=ADn?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257226 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > For interactive functions (a.k.a. "commands"), there's an ambiguity > here: should the link lead to the Emacs user manual or to the Emacs > Lisp Reference manual? We could show both, but that could confuse > users (as opposed to Lisp programmers). IIRC, info-lookup already has some heuristics to decide between the Emacs manual or the Emacs Lisp manual. For example, C-h S on find-file opens the Emacs manual (even though the command is indexed on both manuals), but C-h S on region-end opens the Emacs Lisp manual. Maybe those heuristics are already good enough to make users and ELisp programmers happy.