From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Liu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:49:05 +0800 Message-ID: References: <20140102095347.6834E381D0C@snark.thyrsus.com> <87fvp6bdd9.fsf_-_@ktab.red-bean.com> <83wqiixqbb.fsf@gnu.org> <20140102172804.GB13245@thyrsus.com> <83vby2xo6x.fsf@gnu.org> <20140102183432.GB13506@thyrsus.com> <83sit6xgfg.fsf@gnu.org> <8761q18kni.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.org> <838uuxxsxu.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388756991 12710 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2014 13:49:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, kfogel@red-bean.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Tassilo Horn To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 03 14:49:56 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz58N-0005Ev-KM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 14:49:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49986 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz58N-0007Zz-AB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 08:49:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38324) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz58C-0007Zg-QS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 08:49:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz584-0007gt-DR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 08:49:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pd0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c02::234]:33156) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz584-0007gl-6C; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 08:49:36 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pd0-f180.google.com with SMTP id q10so15327297pdj.25 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 05:49:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:face:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=xPdHY+8QisWgMnA5ax1+TlmYJgePgfuF0Ch2a1Tx5g8=; b=Cdy8LI18E+eLg7CvegLLQIZVmd+EJ/4hcoe9y8j4P1bKGOaOD6iXb3vqhKbR4wrS/6 xfO5JyPDsAl2QpUUdnoAZocxR944Bxlde48czgd8jWVU/Zjyk4A8bNRA6fm1dCT/rgId 4eZo8O0UHt4lPN+3zU/qda+/2j9icnzRwdPfTpd6796sHGGja0lqNJDhUD0tKJG4SvZY 81A+9r61fOThe+83xARDUWQniUkiM0cGE2+TRM1g1FabJH31lhiEuH5THuSYWthfgzdl RKH3bYJjbVsJ4DExpKYSIpuumPRnMnnBHpKJBVW27aeDqNLtJBqVGf5in0liEaJsEUOI VxOA== X-Received: by 10.68.239.70 with SMTP id vq6mr29817015pbc.152.1388756970311; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 05:49:30 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost ([124.64.107.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qq5sm35882875pbb.24.2014.01.03.05.49.27 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jan 2014 05:49:29 -0800 (PST) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAG1BMVEUAAAA9Cgm3Hx1WWFWA gn+WmJWsrqv4+vcCAwCRl2MkAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAAAFiS0dEAIgFHUgAAAAJcEhZcwAAAYoA AAGKATOXMFgAAAAHdElNRQfXAQwDNR+ZJmElAAABIklEQVQoz22SPW+DQAyGWUq65qasd9PNUSX4 AZHK2C1rJy5jpDS4IwRVup9dn7GNafpKIPPgzztXFSujqq1eM2n8h22oMkvxI/i9C97kRfMRUN55 dS3BrsAwBXUtMLAO4lryh8kTjOxKpQNniNxAgZOEe4bZwsDTFhKdqZRLNII4OQNHhEuq/RMkm6Cj TnnEA/fk0BorcYn5qA3oaeAxbaBOLrX+9G48NZ2Fzc2tzDM8Q+tMypEOqYHh8mAWaaK3U/cDMOT5 aMZMABgPXc7zPMs1A8DXO756GFJ/4fMEq47hTsAdn5avoxZ4ywl0c2w4Flu2Ybeyb3S+EqxX2DYA H8veJGEDTnHnrXvRaPyt+2kSfK6rfBZ2tUtfP/mR+pR6sX8BUZ/cDV7tvkoAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: <838uuxxsxu.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:26:05 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (OS X 10.9.1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c02::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167157 Archived-At: On 2014-01-03 18:26 +0800, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > More importantly, the glossary, at least git's glossary, is not going > to help here. Let's take this example I showed earlier GIT's manual pages, good or bad, is not the issue. The issue is programmers using git have outnumbered bzr and hg combined. Most people are already familiar with git's jargon or whatnot. A few years ago I counted the number of users on #git, #hg and #bzr @ freenode. hg users were a quarter of git's. bzr users under two digits. If you ask a question on #bzr, you can get a reply in half a day at best. I think getting new blood into emacs devel is critical or we might find ourselves in the same situation as bzr a few years later. Leo