From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071230172259.GB6572@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199046360 26143 80.91.229.12 (30 Dec 2007 20:26:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:26:00 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 30 21:26:12 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J94jU-0005IN-Su for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:26:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J94j9-00032R-5U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:25:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J94j5-0002zG-5N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:25:39 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J94j4-0002yC-FU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:25:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J94j4-0002xw-CK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:25:38 -0500 Original-Received: from cpe-69-204-164-144.nycap.res.rr.com ([69.204.164.144] helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J94j4-00062V-7N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:25:38 -0500 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.115) Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:25:39 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: <20071230172259.GB6572@thyrsus.com> (esr@thyrsus.com) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85701 Archived-At: Richard Stallman : > I usually don't have an internet connection, so I could not possibly > use the methods you recommend. I cannot communicate with people by > IRC. I cannot get information from a web interface. "Eric S. Raymond" : Er...perhaps you should fix these problems, rather than allowing them to limit and damage Emacs and every other project you are involved in. Why should RMS change his politics or his procedures? As for myself, I cannot have a continuous Internet connection, for example when I am visiting. Moreover, I certainly don't want one at home because (a) although I have a great deal of security I am not an expert and I don't trust that I won't run into a malicious external site, and (b) I want to get work done and not be interrupted. I know there are people who do not mind interruptions, but I am not one of them. For me, that is key. Different people have different desires. An advantage of email is that you don't have to respond for a day or two. -- Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 bob@rattlesnake.com bob@gnu.org http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc