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From: "Robert J. Chassell" <bob@rattlesnake.com>
Subject: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:28:08 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1EauUK-0004RqC@rattlesnake.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uek5m2x6k.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:32:35 +0200)

    ??? Strange logic.  If I print the buffer (I admit I never did
    that; is there someone here that did?), why should I care exactly
    how many printed pages will I get?

The logic makes sense but the procedures are not for experts.

You are an expert.  Many novices print what they see.  They should not
-- after all, a computer plus printer is more than an early 20th
century typesetting machine plus printing machine -- but they do.

Also, novices tend not to distinguish between buffers that are
visiting files and buffers that are not visiting files:  they just
print what they see or, if they are blind and have a braille printer,
what they hear.

I know one person who prints her email!  (She also did not want to
print a book of mine because she feared it would have too many pages
and take too long.)  Experts print far less frequently.

Years ago, I wrote the page-ext.el functions so I could readily
determine whether the number of lines in a page was too many for my
printer, which could only print pages of 66 or fewer lines.

Nowadays, I hardly ever print hardcopy and forget the keybinding for a
`pages-directory' command that lists the number of lines in each page.
(It uses a positive, numeric prefix key.  Also, you must load
"page-ext" first; it is part of the distribution but not autoloaded.)

On looking, the command turns out to be `C-u 8 C-x C-p C-d' and works
with Juri Linkov's display setting,

    (aset standard-display-table ?\f (vconcat (make-vector 64 ?-) "^L"))

since that setting does not effect contents only display.

I just checked: Mile's suggestion also works:  to put the caret and
the L characters after an indent and then a line of hyphens,

  (aset standard-display-table ?\f (vconcat  "    ^L " (make-vector 64 ?-)))

Thus, when I run `C-h b' (describe-bindings) on this email buffer, and
then run `C-u 8 C-x C-p C-d' on the resulting *Help* buffer, I see

      8: Key translations:
      4: `say-minor-mode' Minor Mode Bindings:
     17: `mc-write-mode' Minor Mode Bindings:
     52: Major Mode Bindings:
    1094: Global Bindings:
     88: Function key map translations:

Everyone starts out as a novice.  Consequently, it is worth making it
easy for novices to learn the jargon and to learn how to become more
efficient.

I remember -- more than 20 years ago, before learning about Emacs --
typing each key chord in a program to discover the keybindings.  The
program lacked documentation but was easy for a novice to learn since
you could put a mouse cursor on a menu item and execute the command
that way.  But those commands were inefficient -- after all, who wants
to move the mouse cursor to a menu in order to mark a whole buffer
when you can type `C-x h'?

In general, as people become more proficient, they want to waste their
time less.  For this Emacs is good.  (As is Emacspeak, which is for
listening rather than seeing -- for the permanently blind and for
people driving cars and such, who are `situationally blind').

-- 
    Robert J. Chassell                         
    bob@rattlesnake.com                         GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8
    http://www.rattlesnake.com                  http://www.teak.cc

  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-12 12:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-10 20:29 describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming David Reitter
2005-11-10 21:27 ` Drew Adams
2005-11-10 21:38   ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-11  1:03     ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-11-11  2:55       ` Miles Bader
2005-11-11  9:18         ` Kim F. Storm
2005-11-11  7:43       ` David Reitter
2005-11-11  9:05         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 10:20           ` Henrik Enberg
2005-11-13 20:54           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-13 22:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-13 23:13               ` David Reitter
2005-11-14  0:10                 ` Miles Bader
2005-11-14  0:19                   ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-14  4:28                     ` Stefan Monnier
2005-11-14 15:35                       ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-15  5:43                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-19 11:25                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-15  3:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-14  4:40                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-14 17:48                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-14 18:18                       ` Help menu (was: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming) David Reitter
2005-11-15  4:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-15  4:11                           ` Help menu Juri Linkov
2005-11-15 17:45                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-15 18:07                         ` Help menu (was: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming) Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-15 18:19                           ` Drew Adams
2005-11-15 18:15                         ` Drew Adams
2005-11-16 22:04                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-16 23:29                             ` Drew Adams
2005-11-18 17:00                               ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-18 17:58                                 ` Drew Adams
2005-11-18 18:21                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19 23:26                                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-19 23:44                                       ` Drew Adams
2005-11-19 23:26                                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-19 23:44                                     ` Drew Adams
2005-11-16 22:04                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-14 10:45                 ` describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming Jason Rumney
2005-11-11  8:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11  9:25       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11  8:51   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 18:02     ` Drew Adams
2005-11-11 18:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 20:47         ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-11-11  8:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11  9:33   ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 10:02     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 10:17       ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 18:02   ` Drew Adams
2005-11-11 19:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 19:10       ` Drew Adams
2005-11-11 20:49         ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-11 21:16           ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 21:26             ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-11 22:32               ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 22:42             ` Miles Bader
2005-11-11 23:40               ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 21:25           ` Drew Adams
2005-11-12  6:32           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-12 12:28             ` Robert J. Chassell [this message]
2005-11-12 12:58               ` David Reitter
2005-11-12 14:28             ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-12 19:48               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-12 20:20                 ` Miles Bader
2005-11-12  6:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-12 13:56           ` Drew Adams
2005-11-11 19:13       ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-13 20:54   ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-11 19:35 ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-11 21:01   ` David Reitter
2005-11-12 21:19     ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-12 21:41       ` Drew Adams
2005-11-12 21:53         ` Miles Bader
2005-11-12 23:09           ` Drew Adams
2005-11-12 23:23             ` Chong Yidong
2005-11-12 23:35               ` Drew Adams
2005-11-14  4:54           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-14  0:55         ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-13 20:54 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-13 21:16   ` Drew Adams
2005-11-13 21:23     ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-13 23:06     ` David Reitter
2005-11-15  5:43       ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-29 17:11     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-29 18:54       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-30  4:56         ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-30  5:09           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-30 10:39           ` Andreas Schwab
2005-12-30 22:11             ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-14 11:59   ` David Reitter
2005-11-14 14:27     ` Drew Adams
2005-11-15  5:43     ` Richard M. Stallman

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