From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 3 dots vanish at end of filled line Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <200510072121.j97LLI217457@f7.net> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1128857339 10035 80.91.229.2 (9 Oct 2005 11:28:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, karl@freefriends.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 09 13:28:53 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EOZLL-0005RN-N3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:27:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EOZLJ-0004OL-Sz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:27:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EOZ3i-0007V0-LO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:09:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EOZ3g-0007TG-3L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:09:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EOZ3f-0007Sd-9v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:09:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [69.168.108.225] (helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EOZ3e-0000Mw-Ge; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:09:34 -0400 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.115) Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (rms@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:43726 Archived-At: ... There should not be whitespace before an ellipsis in English text. The Chicago Manual of Style, 13th Edition, 1982, shows whitespace before an ellipsis in all examples. The manual discusses two methods, one of which the University of Chicago Press prefers. In both methods, there is whitespace before an ellipsis. The preferred method incorporates other punctuation as needed: Other punctuation may be used on either side of the three ellipsis dots if it helps the sense or better shows what has been omitted. [10.41] When four dots indicate the omission at the end of a sentence, the first dot is the period--that is, there is no space between it and the preceding word [but there is after it]. [10.42] The other method uses an ellipsis only, in all situations. Here is how the makeinfo in texinfo-4.8 formats ellipsis: 1. Without space, here are three dots@dots{} Without space, here are three dots... 2. With space, here are three dots @dots{} With space, here are three dots ... 3. Without space, here is a period and three dots.@dots{} Without space, here is a period and three dots.... 4. With space, here is a period and three dots. @dots{} With space, here is a period and three dots. ... In *info*, if we use the methods preferred by the University of Chicago Press, the second and third are correct, Unfortunately, in a printed manual using DVI, in the third example, the distance between the period and the first ellipsis dot is less than the spacing between the ellipsis dots. So to handle both *info* and DVI output, we should adopt the `other' method and in all situations use three dots only. Moreover, we should put a space between the word and the @dots{} command. -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc