From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Getting more info on a variable in Customize buffers Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1104771386 6673 80.91.229.6 (3 Jan 2005 16:56:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 03 17:56:18 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ClVVC-0004nJ-00 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:56:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1ClVgM-0002Bj-03 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:07:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1ClVg8-00028j-Ib for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:07:36 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1ClVg7-00027z-4W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:07:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1ClVg7-00027o-0n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:07:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [69.168.110.189] (helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ClVUp-0002J4-Jy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:55:55 -0500 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.115) Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31736 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31736 "Drew Adams" wrote, So, it sounds like perhaps we should reconsider what the aim of this so-called "initial Lisp expression" is. What is the need that its display is meant to satisfy? The "initial Lisp expression" is supposed to be the default as provided by the distribution. This is what you get when you start Emacs with `emacs -Q'. Another Lisp expression is the previous value as set by a user in his .emacs file (or, for people who have not yet learned Emacs Lisp, set with `customize'). People who use .emacs for customization will be able to see a previous value since either it will be visible in their .emacs file (or in a backup) or it will be the `emacs -Q' default. People who do not use .emacs should also be able to see a previous value that is not a default (or, better yet, see several values, which gives them more or less the equivalent of several different .emacs files). -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc