From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changing the no-toolkit scrollbar thumb color. (minor issue) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87fzijz4th.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org> <200309262123.h8QLNNi07638@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200309272155.h8RLttv09524@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200309281642.h8SGgxc11119@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200309281801.h8SI1gV11332@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200309282347.h8SNlEi12333@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200309290130.h8T1UAt12486@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1064844660 4651 80.91.224.253 (29 Sep 2003 14:11:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 29 15:43:55 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A3yJf-0002zl-00 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:43:55 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A3yJe-0001yr-00 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:43:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A3whK-0005Af-Es for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:00:14 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A3wgm-00059m-Bv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:59:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A3wgG-00051K-F5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:59:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.114.245] (helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A3wgF-00050g-HZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:59:08 -0400 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200309290130.h8T1UAt12486@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:30:10 -0500 (CDT)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16765 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16765 Yes, but in this case the documentation is staring the user straight in the face. Basic face for non-GTK scroll bar colors under X. This does not go far enough. You should not be able to enter a customization buffer when customization does not work. When a person tried to customize the colors of troughs and sliders when running GTK in Windows (i.e., `under X' even if he or she is not using X resoures other than those used to operate the window), a message like this Scroll Bar face cannot be customized under GTK using customize-face should be displayed at the earliest possible moment, right after you type M-x customize-face RET scroll-bar RET The message should appear *instead of* a customization buffer, since you cannot customize. When customization fails, you should not ever receive a customization buffer. To be dropped into one that does not work is a bug. -- Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.teak.cc bob@rattlesnake.com