From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Info menu item bugs Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:15:34 -0500 (EST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1048184023 5119 80.91.224.249 (20 Mar 2003 18:13:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 20 19:13:41 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18w4XI-0001HQ-00 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:13:04 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18w4Ye-0006ST-00 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:14:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18w4Wi-0000kQ-04 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:12:28 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18w4WE-0000Q8-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:11:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18w4Vx-0008Lh-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:11:42 -0500 Original-Received: from megalith.rattlesnake.com ([140.186.114.245] helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18w4VE-0007Ps-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:11:01 -0500 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:15:34 -0500 (EST) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12492 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12492 Today's CVS snapshot, Thu, 2003 Mar 20 12:16 UTC GNU Emacs 21.3.50.233 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) configured with --with-x-toolkit=gtk started with /usr/local/bin/emacs -q --no-site-file --eval '(blink-cursor-mode 0)' An `Info' menu item appears in the menu bar when I start Info. First problem: the only way I found to start Info in its `dir' directory from the menu bar is to click on the `All Other Manuals (Info)' subsubentry in the `More Manuals' subentry in the `Help' menu. This is too far down the hierarchy for a novice. I.e., the screen looks like this: Help More Manuals All Other Manuals (Info) There is no entry for `Info' in general in the top level `Help' menu even though Info is the primary online help mechanism for GNU systems. The `Help' entry should contain an `Info' command. Second problem: after starting Info, an `Info' menu item appears on the main menu bar. When I click on the `Info' menu item I see, confusingingly, two identically named subsubsubmenu headers, one of which leads to Info commands and the other of which leads to Info files. I.e., the screen looks like this: Info Info Info The submenus are both named `Info' but should be named differently. Third problem: when I visit an Info file and then kill it, the Info file goes away, as it should, but the main `Info' menu item continues to sit on the top-level menu bar. The main `Info' menu item should go away; or else it should provide a way to access Info, but it does not. Instead, the main `Info' menu item becomes useless. Interestingly, the titles of the submenus change from both being `Info' to `Menu Item' and `Reference' respectively, which is good, but neither is active, which is bad. I cannot do anything. The `Reference' item is partially blanked out, indicating it is not active, which is good, but the `Menu Item' entry leads to a list of Info files (those at the top of the Info `dir' list) which are not partially blanked out, but which I cannot access either. This is bad. The error message is: Info-extract-menu-item: No menu in this node Fourth problem: when I restart Info, by typing `C-h i' (info) or by clicking on the `All Other Manuals (Info)' subsub-menu item, the two differing items on the main menu are replaced, as before, by the single name `Info'. This is as confusing as it was initially. I.e., the screen looks like this when I click on the lower of the two `Info' submenu entries: Info Info Info Menu Item Reference However, `Menu Item' entry now works. When I click on that subsubmenu entry, It now will lead me to the nodes which it lists. Fifth problem: After restarting Info, the `Reference' item continues to be partially blanked out, which indicates correctly that it is inactive. The correct information is fine, but using Info as I just did, I cannot find any way to make use of the `Reference' item. As is, the entry is useless and superfluous. It should be removed. -- Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.teak.cc bob@rattlesnake.com