From: tsd@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
To: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com>
Cc: Erik Hetzner <egh@e6h.org>, Org Mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
mail@christianmoe.com
Subject: Re: zotero plain, org-odt, and citations in general
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:50:00 -1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m18vno6kpj.fsf@tsdye.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <81mxc4ovlh.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:47:30 +0530")
Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> writes:
>> 1. org-zotero.el
>>
>> This permits insertion of zotero reference links *only* and
>> opening them with a browser.
>>
>> Specifically I don't see the translator of these links to
>> individual backends like latex, html or more importantly ODT.
>>
>> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
>> (org-add-link-type TYPE &optional FOLLOW EXPORT)
>> #+end_src
>>
>> 2. zotero.el
>>
>> This (apparently) permits download of data from firefox and
>> importing it within Emacs.
>
>
> I think I now have some understanding of what Erik's library does[1].
>
> It creates a bibliographic entry (as in Footnotes) using Quick Copy. It
> doesn not create a footnote reference. One can use the Firefox Zotero
> and see how Quick Copy works with both RTF and HTML formats[2].
>
> [Question to Erik: Can one not use "Copy from Clipboard" from elisp
> instead of going the mozrepl route to create a biblio.text]
>
> Instead of working with JS libraries, I think the right starting point
> would be to work with the underlying zotero.sqlite database itself. It
> is not difficult to get a key of the selected item in Zotero
> pane[3]. Once this is done the underlying zotero.sqlite database could
> be queried for the item properties[4].
>
> Fortunately there is already a GUI/Command line tool - Gnotero[5] -for
> accessing the sqlite database.
>
> As for exploiting the power of using zotero within libreoffice - which
> is to have the same citation presented in different citation styles -
> one need to look at how the reference marks are produced within
> OpenDocument XML.
>
> Here is a typical reference mark for an item with local zotero URL[6]:
> zotero://report/items/579241_E7232HE2/html/report.html
>
> LIBRARY=>579241
> KEY=>E7232HE2
>
>
> #+begin_src nxml
> <text:p text:style-name="Footnote">
> <text:reference-mark-start text:name="ZOTERO_ITEM {"citationID":"2lhcdnkups","citationItems":[{"uri":["http://zotero.org/groups/51961/items/E7232HE2"]}]} RNDB7mi3QiueI"/>Crew, “Alltagsgeschichte.”
> <text:reference-mark-end text:name="ZOTERO_ITEM {"citationID":"2lhcdnkups","citationItems":[{"uri":["http://zotero.org/groups/51961/items/E7232HE2"]}]} RNDB7mi3QiueI"/>
> </text:p>
> #+end_src nxml
>
> One can see the following components:
> 1. ZOTERO_ITEM
> 2. citationID and citationItems
> - The citationItem has the following Zotero URI:
> http://zotero.org/groups/51961/items/E7232HE2
>
> GROUP=>51961
> KEY=>E7232HE2
>
> Note that the keys for the entry are the same on both the local
> zotero store and the global zotero URI.
> 3. RNDB7mi3QiueI
> - This is a cookie entered by Zotero which maps the citation entry to
> an entry in the zotero database. Note that it starts with RND.
>
> This is what is called as a "FieldCode" in zotero parlance.
>
> Note: Have you seen the "Remove Field Codes" in Zotero menu within
> ODT document. Once you remove the field codes the document becomes
> a simple ODT document and one would no longer be able to move
> between different citation styles.
>
> In essence, "Field Code" is the MAGIC WAND that zotero uses.
>
> From my little research, I can say with confidence that global zotero
> URIs and the above mentioned reference marks are *very* recent
> developments.
>
> Exercising the MAGIC WAND within ODT exporter requires diving in to
> zotero server inner workings - which is non-trivial as Erik notes - but
> would also be futile (as in chasing a shifting sand)
>
> I believe the best course would be to do convention/static footnoting
> with the simplest of Chicago styles using a choice of entry types like
> Article, Journal, Book or a Website.
>
> Proposal for Org+Zotero integration
> ===================================
>
> An org document like this
>
> #+begin_src org
> * Headline
> This is a footnote reference[1]
>
> Footnotes:
> [1] zotero://report/items/579241_E7232HE2/html/report.html
> #+end_src org
>
> will be transformed to this on ODT export
>
> #+begin_odt
> * Headline
> This is a footnote reference[1]
>
> Bibliography:
>
> 1. David F. Crew, “Alltagsgeschichte: A New Social History ‘From
> below’?,” Central European History 22, no. 3/4 (1989): 394-407.
> #+end_odt
>
> Note that the footnote link is an org stlye link captured with
> org-protocol and has both a LIBRARY_ID and KEY_ID. The bibliography
> entry will be generated by "exporting" zotero link to the required
> format using a variation of gnotero. The "following/opening" of zotero
> link will be done by mapping the local zotero link to
> http://zotero.org-based URI (again) using gnotero.
>
>
> I see that there is a need for bib2odt in much the same way as there is
> a bib2html. Can someone post an example of Org file which would use
> BibTex for post-processing (either to HTML or LaTeX) The ODT exporter
> can also emulate what other backend does.
>
> ps: This mail is more of a note to self or a note to any future
> hackers. I am not certain I will be able to hack gnotero and have it
> integrate with Emacs - but for a whimsical and a bored hacker like
> nothing can be said with certainty.
>
> Btw, gnotero is good. Not sure how usable it is though ...
>
> Jambunathan K.
>
> Footnotes:
>
> [1] With Mozrepl 1.1 beta2 on Firefox 3.6.23, I am unable to make
> org-zotero.el work. It hangs and I have to C-g out (Christian! you are
> not alone). I am able to get as far as creating the LIBRARY_KEY for the
> selected item in the zotero pane and not further.
>
> [2] Quick Copy: http://www.zotero.org/support/creating_bibliographies
>
> [3] For producing ITEM keys: One could use zotero.el or simply "Right
> Click" on an item and do a "Generate Report from Selected Item". The
> resulting url in firefox could be captured using org-protocol and
> imported in to the org buffer. A typical URL looks like this:
>
> zotero://report/items/0_6EETTDBE/html/report.html
> 0 => My Library
> 6EETTDBE => Key of the selected item
>
> or
> zotero://report/items/579241_E7232HE2/html/report.html
> 579241 => The local library key for "Digital Humanities UofT group"
> E7232HE2 => Key of the selected item.
>
> [4] For locating zotero.sqlite and querying it with Sqlite Manager see
> - https://www.zotero.org/utils/dbfix/
> - http://kimmonsdesign.com/node/24
>
> [5] http://cogsci.nl/software/qnotero
> http://www.cogsci.nl/blog/tutorials/97-writing-a-command-line-zotero-client-in-9-lines-of-code
> http://files.cogsci.nl/software/gnotero/extras/gnotero_cmdline.py
>
> [6] See the attached zotero-libreoffice.odt
Aloha Jambunathan,
For examples of Org-mode files that use bibtex, the following might be
helpful.
A tutorial of sorts:
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html#sec-17
A piece of reproducible research:
https://github.com/tsdye/LKFS
hth,
Tom
--
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-11-10 15:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-09 2:06 zotero plain, org-odt, and citations in general Matt Price
2011-11-09 5:26 ` Jambunathan K
2011-11-10 15:17 ` Jambunathan K
2011-11-10 15:50 ` Thomas S. Dye [this message]
2011-11-10 17:48 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-11 15:51 ` Matt Price
2011-11-11 16:12 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-11 18:45 ` Matt Price
2011-11-12 0:07 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-12 23:45 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-12 23:46 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-11 20:34 ` zotero-cite (A Proposal) Jambunathan K
2011-11-14 15:38 ` Matt Price
2011-11-16 5:25 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-11 21:13 ` zotero plain, org-odt, and citations in general Jambunathan K
2011-11-12 7:21 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-12 14:20 ` Matt Price
2011-11-16 5:30 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-09 7:03 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-09 7:25 ` Jambunathan K
2011-11-09 14:13 ` Ken Williams
2011-11-09 19:39 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-10 4:53 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-10 9:01 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-11 15:37 ` Matt Price
2011-11-11 17:51 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-11 18:34 ` Matt Price
2011-11-09 15:28 ` Matt Price
2011-11-10 4:40 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-13 22:47 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-14 15:38 ` Matt Price
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