From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Patch to disable links line in *info* buffer Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87bsaos1fl.fsf@orebokech.com> <200206072322.g57NMtK27277@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xbsam1tje.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <87wut9tppe.fsf@orebokech.com> <200206101359.g5ADx7b28021@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200206101728.g5AHSjQ29188@rum.cs.yale.edu> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1023744386 32756 127.0.0.1 (10 Jun 2002 21:26:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17HWgE-0008WD-00 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:26:26 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17HX3E-0002wL-00 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:50:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17HWGr-0000Dr-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:00:13 -0400 Original-Received: from megalith.rattlesnake.com ([140.186.114.245] helo=localhost) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17HWFY-0008Ov-00 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:58:52 -0400 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <200206101728.g5AHSjQ29188@rum.cs.yale.edu> (monnier+gnu/emacs@RUM.cs.yale.edu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4722 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4722 monnier+gnu/emacs@RUM.cs.yale.edu suggests ... hide the first line by scrolling (rather than by narrow-to-region as is currently done), so that the deep info is readily available, although it's not annoyingly in-your-face like it is now. This fails the `newbie' test. Some years ago, when I first learned about the `Info-top-node' command, I tried it. (I still use it often, to get to the main menu.) You are suggesting that when a newbie first looks at the beginning of an Info file, he or she not see an old style header line in addition to its current header line ; but that when she goes back to the beginning of an Info file, it look different from what it was and show *two* nearly similer header lines. This will not work. It will look like a bug. Not only that, it will be very hard to persuade people it is not a user-interface design mistake. It will be the kind of change that people will find wrong, willy-nilly. -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com