From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> <87znyywagx.fsf@pot.cnuce.cnr.it> <87adqyz047.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <200205190530.g4J5UNa22924@aztec.santafe.edu> <87n0uwuwkc.fsf@emacswiki.org> <87offctgcb.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87elg8upk7.fsf@emacswiki.org> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1022183476 30811 127.0.0.1 (23 May 2002 19:51:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17AycG-00080q-00 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 21:51:16 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17Ayrn-0003p5-00 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 22:07:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17AycG-0001ps-00; Thu, 23 May 2002 15:51:16 -0400 Original-Received: from megalith.rattlesnake.com ([140.186.114.245] helo=localhost) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17AyZQ-0001Y0-00 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 15:48:38 -0400 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Thu, 23 May 2002 19:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: alex@emacswiki.org In-Reply-To: <87elg8upk7.fsf@emacswiki.org> (message from Alex Schroeder on Sun, 19 May 2002 17:26:16 +0200) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4304 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4304 Miles Bader writes: > It's easily observable by any touch-typist, by (1) taking some time to > get used to the control-keys, and (2) trying both for about 3 seconds > while typing in some text. It's not a subtle thing. I do not find it easily observable. I bet it also depends on keyboard layout and customizations outside of Emacs. Do please tell me your keyboard and customizations. I just tried Miles' experiment on a QWERTY keyboard, with the arrow keys to the lower right. By counting how many I could press in 5 and 10 seconds, I found that I can press C-n or C-p in 200 milliseconds or so and press an arrow key in 800 milliseconds or so. (Presumably, with more practice, I could speed up my arrow key press time, but still, that action has to take longer than pressing a control key since it requires moving my right hand two rows down and 3.5 rows to the right but pressing a control-chord does not require moving my hands, just my fingers.) As far as I can see, the arrow keys are as Miles says, *more obvious*. But in my experience, on the computer keyboards I have been using for the past generation, they are less efficient than control keys. -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com